[arin-ppml] Statistics request regarding new entrants (was: Re: Stats request)

mcr at sandelman.ca mcr at sandelman.ca
Wed Nov 27 19:51:53 EST 2013

John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
    >> How did they qualify?   I would assume most had demonstrated
    >>exhaustion of 
    >> PA space they got from their upstream.

    > Correct - this is required as part of initial ISP allocations.

They can also qualify by, Immediate Need.
I don't know how often that happens for new entrants.

    >> After a new-entrant returns their PA space upstream, does ARIN have any
    >> statistics (from delegation records) on what happens to that address space
    >> afterwards?  Does upstream ISP deploy it to new customers? How fast?
    >> Or does upstream ISP tend to use it for internal uses?  Do upstream ISPs keep
    >> it quiet for a cool-down period?

    > ARIN has no visibility into any of the above, and note that per NRPM
    > 4.2.2, standard ISP allocations are not required to return their blocks
    > from their upstream ISP (those receiving under multihomed policy are
    > required to return) 

I agree that there is no formal visibility, but one might see this through

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