[arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 exhaustion

Serge Paquin serge at skycomp.ca
Mon Nov 25 10:06:10 EST 2013

I agree in principal, but that means new entrants can't really conduct business because ipv6 visibility isn't to a level that your connection is actually useful if you were only ipv6.

I haven't been reading the entire thread but maybe for existing orgs who want more ipv4 they must show they are dual stacked and have their ipv6 actually routing and working before they get more ipv4.

Same idea as you, but from the take that the existing users who have space and a profitable business needs to add ipv6 before it can grow more.

Refusing ipv4 to a new entrant makes it basically impossible to start a new ISP/Hosting company business.  Will make existing orgs not want to roll out ipv6 as fast so as to somewhat block new entrants and competition.  At least that's how I see it.


-----Original Message-----
From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Richardson
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 exhaustion

I think that we should stop trying to optimize or mitigate the IPv4 runout.
New entrants are screwed if their have a plan that requires more than an
IPv4/28 from upstream.

New entrants will need to do IPv6 from the first day, and we should make getting IPv6 (only) so cheap and simple that a new entrant can get PI IPv6 space for their internal infrastructure at a point where they might not have an AS or any IPv4.

Let's have them think: how can I do *new innovative service* in native v6, rather than, "how do I doctor the paperwork convincingly enough so that I can get some of the last bit of IPv4"

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]   Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works        | network architect  [
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