[arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 exhaustion

[Randy Carpenter]

I have several single-homed clients who are in the position of having a /23 or /22 from an upstream, and needing additional space. They are refused.

They have a justified need, and are established networks, but ARIN policy prevents them from getting their own space because they don't already have a /20. At this point in the game the requirement of having space before you can get space seems a little ridiculous, particularly at the current minimums. If they were able to get their own space, they could hand back most or all of the upstream space, thus providing a benefit to them as well.

I am very in favor of moving the minimums to /22 for single-homed at least. I would also be in favor of only requiring an upstream allocation of a /24, so long as the ISP can show justified need for a full /22.

For multi-homed, I would be fine with either /23 or /24.


thanks,
-Randy

----- Original Message -----
> David,
> 
> There are going to be lots of reasons why an ISP can't provide space to a
> downstream post run out, even when on paper they have space.
> 
> 1) Space dedicated to another region
> 2) Cost Prohibitive for downstream due to cost recovery.
> 3) Forward looking project that fits within the 24 month window.
> 
> I can see the conversation now.
> 
> Downstream: I need a /24 of IP space
> Upstream: NO
> Downstream: Ok, I'm telling on you.
> Upstream: We didn't sign the contract, find someone else to provide service.
> 
> In a primary market there are going to be "others". In a secondary market you
> will be out of luck.
> 
> We can't wrap this policy in a complicated beat stick. If a company has a
> need for an initial allocation
> They are going to have to go to the transfer market. We should be able to
> give them the initial allocation without adding complexity.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kevin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of David Farmer
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:26 PM
> To: Brandon Ross; Jo Rhett
> Cc: ARIN-PPML List
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 exhaustion
> 
> On 11/22/13, 08:50 , Brandon Ross wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Jo Rhett wrote:
> >
> >> I'd like to see some actual documented issues with this. Almost
> >> everyone I know is sitting on large amounts of smaller blocks they
> >> can easily allocate to people. It's the larger (/21 or greater)
> >> blocks which are becoming scarce.
> >
> > What kind of documentation are you looking for?
> 
> I would think an a copy of an email or a letter from the upstream which
> confirms the upstream can't/won't provide them address space, for some
> reason other than they don't think the customer justifies additional address
> space.
> 
> It is unfair for ARIN to withhold address space because the upstream has
> address space but won't provide it to the requester for what ever reason.  I
> think it is reasonable to require some confirming documentation that the
> upstream is not providing address space.  You can't just "say" your ISP is
> not providing it.
> 
> However, if an ISP is saying you don't justify additional address space, then
> you shouldn't qualify for address space from ARIN under an exception like
> this.
> 
> Also, ARIN should be able to refuse if they feel there is collusion between
> an ISP and a requester.
> 
> Thanks.
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