[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7

[Dani Roisman]

I agree with Jason - standardize on one term.  My vote goes towards a global replacement of "ISP" in ARIN policy documents with the term "LIR" in order to match the language used by the other 4 RIRs.  I would then support an brief statement early in the NRPM which explains that "The term LIR has replaced the term ISP formerly used in ARIN policy documents in order to simplify the global understanding of RIR policy documents.  The definition of LIR exactly matches the previous definition of ISP for the purpose of the ARIN NRPM."  (well, something like that, you get the point).

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| Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 16:57:39 -0400
| From: Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com>
| To: Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com>
| Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
| Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5: LIR/ISP and
| 	End-user	Definitions
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| I know people won't like this, but if you are going to pick one term
| ISP/LIR, I'd recommend LIR.
| 
| LIR shows up in the other regions, and also global polices.
| 
| For clarity I think the best thing to do is use "ISP/LIR" as the single
| term everywhere.
| 
| I think Chris Grundeman's simplification of ISP/LIR is fine, and his
| clarification of end-user is good.
| 
| __Jason
| 
| 
| 
| On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Chris Grundemann
| <cgrundemann at gmail.com>wrote:
| 
| > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 5:53 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
| > [...]
| > > Policy statement:
| > >
| > > Update NRPM 2.4 and 2.6 to read:
| > >
| > > 2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) / Internet Service Provider (ISP) The
| > > terms Internet Service Provider (ISP) and LIR are used interchangeably in
| > > this document. A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that assigns
| > address
| > > space to the users of the network services that it provides. Therefore,
| > LIRs
| > > / ISPs are organizations that reassign addresses to end users and/or
| > > reallocate addresses to other ISPs/LIRs.
| >
| > I think this is a bit redundant ('a LIR is an IR') and could be made
| > more similar to the end-user definition thus:
| >
| > "2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) / Internet Service Provider (ISP)
| > The terms Internet Service Provider (ISP) and LIR are used
| > interchangeably in this document. An ISP is a LIR that receives
| > allocations of IP addresses to provide network services to its users.
| > An LIR / ISP reassigns addresses to end users and/or reallocates
| > addresses to other ISPs / LIRs."
| >
| > I'm also curious as to the community sentiment regarding using these
| > two terms interchangeably. It seems that it may be more clear to go
| > through the NRPM and make change to one or the other in all instances.
| >
| > Would using a single term provide better clarity can continuity?
| >
| > Which term would you prefer to use if that were the case (LIR or ISP)?
| >
| >
| > > 2.6. End-user An end-user is an organization receiving assignments of IP
| > > addresses exclusively for use in its operational networks, and does not
| > > register any reassignments of that space.
| >
| > It's not the registration of the reassignment that makes an LIR/ISP
| > different from an end-user, but the reassignment itself. I think the
| > following text makes this more clear:
| >
| > "2.6. End-user An end-user is an organization that receives
| > assignments of IP addresses exclusively for use in its operational
| > networks. An end-user does not reassign or reallocate addresses to any
| > other organization."
| >
| > Cheers,
| > ~Chris
| >
| >
| > > Timetable for implementation: Immediate
| > > _______________________________________________