[arin-ppml] A Redefinition ofIPv4NeedpostARINrun-out(was:Re:Against2013-4)

Mike Burns mike at nationwideinc.com
Wed Jun 19 14:30:06 EDT 2013


lol. An Amen and two shut-ups!
OK, I’ll shut up.


From: Chris James 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:19 PM
To: Sweeting, John 
Cc: John Curran ; Mike Burns ; arin-ppml at arin.net 
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] A Redefinition ofIPv4NeedpostARINrun-out(was:Re:Against2013-4)

Agreed.

Chris James 
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On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Sweeting, John <john.sweeting at twcable.com> wrote:

  Hi,

  If possible could we move this to a private conversation? This has all been aired on PPML several times before and at this point it serves no purpose. If we could please get back on track and focus on a current draft policy or proposal and state reasons for support or non support it would be very much appreciated. 

  Thanks,
  John



  From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
  Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:12 PM
  To: Mike Burns <mike at nationwideinc.com>
  Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com>
  Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] A Redefinition ofIPv4NeedpostARINrun-out(was:Re:Against2013-4)


  On Jun 19, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Mike Burns <mike at nationwideinc.com> wrote:


         You may say "legally purchasing" rights, but I truly don't know what these parties think 
         they purchased, since it can't be the ability to inject routes and have them accepted 
         (no one can provide that) nor the right to use the entry in the registry, when the 
         circumstances are contrary to policy.

    I guess they figure they are buying what the Nortel bankruptcy judge called the “exclusive right to use” the addresses.

  Indeed, but those are rights which may be transferred in accordance with policy.  In the case
  of Nortel, this was accomplished by ARIN working with Microsoft and confirming compliance
  and then removing our objection, a point which Nortel's own filing makes - "10. Second, the 
  revisions reflected in the Amended Sale Agreement and Revised Order were the result of 
  negotiations between Microsoft, ARIN and NNI and, accordingly, ARIN’s counsel has 
  informed NNI that it does not oppose entry of the Revised Order. " <NNI Docket #5280>

  No problem buying the rights (that is, after all, what a transfer is) but you also have to wait
  for the approval before considering the deal "closed", just as in the Nortel case.

    Consider if the buyer of the radio station could begin and continue broadcasting without regard to regulatory approval?
    Does that make a listener un-hear a broadcast? Or would the incentives lead to lots of wildcat radio stations pending approval?


  The safest move is to finalize the sale upon the approval; claiming that it is complete prior
  to that point is rather innovative (and might even be considered fraud if done knowingly...)

  FYI,
  /John

  John Curran
  President and CEO
  ARIN





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