[arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for General Thoughts

Sweeting, John john.sweeting at twcable.com
Mon Jun 17 08:46:20 EDT 2013

Hi Bill,

As with all policy proposals everything that is learned on the list will
be taken to the PPM in October where the AC Shepherds will share these
statistics along with other pertinent information and also take input at
the meeting. We also had some input at the NANOG 58 PPC. Thanks for all
your help on this, I am sure Chris appreciates it.


On 6/17/13 1:02 AM, "William Herrin" <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

>On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:14 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Chris Grundemann
>> <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Providing false information and flooding
>> That's twice now you've accused me of lying. Let's put that to the test.
>> Here's my data: http://bill.herrin.us/network/principles.html
>> I respectfully request that anyone who believes I have misrecorded
>> their response let me know so that I may correct it.
>Four days and no requested corrections later... I'll forgo your
>apology for the false accusation but now that we've confirmed that I
>accurately counted the 20 folks who chose to respond publicly to your
>query, let me help you understand what they told you.
>The first thing they told you is that 2013-4's principle 3 (unique
>assignment through accurate registration) has unanimous support. There
>were quibbles about the words and requests for wordsmithing but the
>core principle described is golden.
>The second thing the respondents told you is that points 1 and 2 in
>2013-4 have large, majority opposition. Not just in the future. Right
>now. Today. Nor are folks displeased with the particular wording...
>those particular principles are simply unacceptable. Not just as
>written, as conceived. If they were ever OK, they aren't any more.
>But there is good news.
>An overwhelming majority believe that ARIN should, on principle,
>architect its policies and procedures to support scalable routing
>efforts on the Internet backbone. Only 2 of the 20 respondents opposed
>this. They don't agree that necessarily means hierarchy, but on a
>policy by policy basis they can accept hierarchy where it is
>technically necessary to meet ARIN's commitment to a principle of
>support for scalable Internet routing. The core principle that just
>about everyone can support is: facilitate scalable Internet routing.
>More, while there's strong dissent over whether justified need, free
>market, or some mechanism we've not yet conceived represents ARIN's
>future, there is strong agreement that the future must support
>sustainable consumption of the number resources throughout the
>lifetime of the protocols which use them. Only one person said burn it
>all down: hurry up and allocate the rest of the v4 free pool so that
>folks will be forced to move to IPv6. How we make sustainable policy
>will be this decade's recurring debate (whether you like it or not)
>but we broadly agree that consumption must be sustainable.
>Finally, there was more confusion than anything else on 2013-4's point
>4 about stewardship. The text is no good, but if you rework it you
>might have a viable principle there as well.
>Congratulations. It appears to me that you have a basis for building a
>true consensus statement of principles. Not just for now, or
>historically, but for the future. This surprises the heck out of me. I
>thought Jason was dead on target when he said that would be near
>impossible to achieve.
>What will you do with this knowledge now that you have it?
>Bill "don't deny it" Herrin
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