[arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for General Thoughts

George Herbert george.herbert at gmail.com
Thu Jun 13 16:24:28 EDT 2013


I believe that the question is too nuanced for a straight yes/no at this
time, as my personal opinion.

I believe that there's a clear status quo answer, but I don't believe that
it's a good time to restate or retrench the status quo without a deeper
discussion about the status quo's flaws.  That's not "this must change" but
"I can't honestly agree with any simple statement on this point at this
time, absent further consensus seeking".


On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM, George Herbert
> <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1) needs-based
> > No.  Well, maybe.  This is not a question conducive to yes/no answers.
> > Traditional needs assessments and methods are going to need to shift,
> this
> > question does not really frame or suggest any of the options for that
> > change.
>
> Hi George,
>
> Maybe I can help (maybe not though)... I appreciate and agree that
> there is a wider, more detailed ongoing conversation which likely
> needs to continue around the shifting of policy you mention. However,
> I think that the over-arching principles should be broad and general
> enough that they do not need to shift very often if at all. This draft
> policy, as currently written, would codify needs-based justification
> as one of these over-arching principles. It would not set the details
> of what that needs assessment looks like, what the criteria are, the
> periodicity, etc. In that light, are you able to provide a yes/no
> answer? No worries if not - I do understand that this is a nuanced
> issue.
>
> Thanks,
> ~Chris
>
> > 2) routability
> > Yes.
> >
> > 3) Uniqueness
> > Yes, overriding goal
> >
> > 4) Balancing
> > Without a properly framed 1) it's hard to address how to balance, or what
> > balance function to apply.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> As the shepherd for ARIN-2013-4, I'd like to note that while the
> >> initial conversation on this draft policy was fairly constructive,
> >> more recent comments have gone a bit off topic. Rather than debating
> >> the history of internet governance it would be very helpful for the AC
> >> to understand the general sentiment of this community with regard to
> >> the draft policy more directly.
> >>
> >> With that in mind, I'd like to gather opinion and thoughts on several
> >> key questions. These questions should be answered in terms of how you
> >> believe ARIN should operate today and into the future in order to
> >> uphold its goal of stewardship of the Internet number resources in its
> >> care.
> >>
> >> 1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
> >> (Conservation/Sustainability)?
> >>
> >> 2) Do you support the principle of hierarchical aggregation
> (Routability)?
> >>
> >> 3) Do you support the principle of uniqueness (Registration)?
> >>
> >> 4) Do you support the goal of balancing these principles with each
> >> other under the overarching principle of Stewardship?
> >>
> >> Please feel free to provide your thoughts on each of these items as
> >> general principles. Please state a definitive support or do not
> >> support for each individual principle/goal and provide a brief
> >> rational for that position. For now I'd like to ask that we evaluate
> >> the principles generally - and not to argue with each others opinions
> >> but simply to each state our own. Once we have a sense of the
> >> community support, we can then dig into specific text for each item
> >> based on the level of support and the rationale behind that level of
> >> support.
> >>
> >> This will be very helpful as we decide our next steps with this draft
> >> policy.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> ~Chris
> >>
> >> --
> >> @ChrisGrundemann
> >> http://chrisgrundemann.com
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> > --
> > -george william herbert
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>
>
>
> --
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>



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-george william herbert
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