[arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for GeneralThoughts

Mike Burns mike at nationwideinc.com
Thu Jun 13 09:40:26 EDT 2013

Hi Paul,

Principles should apply always, in every condition, so I cringe at your use 
of the term "current guiding principles" whose adjectives seem to vitiate 
the strength of the word.

The "goal" of conservation dictated a practice of needs based allocation in 
the condition of free pool availability and no transfer market.
This practice had to include transfers, or goal of conservation would be 
thwarted by bad actors getting from the free pool for need, transferring to 
someone without need, then going back to the free pool for more, and 
Now, however, the requirement of conservation is met by the transfer market 
of priced addresses, and the free pool availability will disappear soon.
Needs testing transfers just adds another layer of conservation over the 
natural conservation provided by the price of the addresses.
Since some (a few?, many?,RIPE?,APNIC?) consider that there is no 
requirement for RIRs to be needs-testing transfers, it is impossible for us 
to accept the needs-based allocation policy as a principle, given my 
understanding of what a principle is, anyway.

>From my perspective, the RFC-2050 revival/insertion into policy has run into 
significant enough opposition already for the shepherds to reconsider the 
whole adventure, or at least start only with inclusion of the principle of 
registration, which seems to have no opposition.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Paul Vixie
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 3:18 AM
To: William Herrin
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for 

William Herrin wrote:
> ...
> That having been said, this is 2013 not 1996. Justified need and free
> market are opposite sides of a partisan divide. Your draft takes a
> position.

from where i sit, jason's draft takes ARIN's position, both current and

> Something in such major contention can't possibly be a *current*
> guiding principle. Think about it. Partisan divide and guiding
> principle are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

i disagree that current guiding principles are by definition noncontentious.

if you would like to test the waters regarding a change to ARIN's
guiding principle in the future, there's a policy process available to you.

but hijacking a relatively tame proposal which would merely keep the
status quo, because here and now is a convenient place and time to
advance your own cause, is unprofessional.

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