[arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for General Thoughts

Chris Grundemann cgrundemann at gmail.com
Wed Jun 12 18:14:24 EDT 2013

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM, George Herbert
<george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
> 1) needs-based
> No.  Well, maybe.  This is not a question conducive to yes/no answers.
> Traditional needs assessments and methods are going to need to shift, this
> question does not really frame or suggest any of the options for that
> change.

Hi George,

Maybe I can help (maybe not though)... I appreciate and agree that
there is a wider, more detailed ongoing conversation which likely
needs to continue around the shifting of policy you mention. However,
I think that the over-arching principles should be broad and general
enough that they do not need to shift very often if at all. This draft
policy, as currently written, would codify needs-based justification
as one of these over-arching principles. It would not set the details
of what that needs assessment looks like, what the criteria are, the
periodicity, etc. In that light, are you able to provide a yes/no
answer? No worries if not - I do understand that this is a nuanced


> 2) routability
> Yes.
> 3) Uniqueness
> Yes, overriding goal
> 4) Balancing
> Without a properly framed 1) it's hard to address how to balance, or what
> balance function to apply.
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> As the shepherd for ARIN-2013-4, I'd like to note that while the
>> initial conversation on this draft policy was fairly constructive,
>> more recent comments have gone a bit off topic. Rather than debating
>> the history of internet governance it would be very helpful for the AC
>> to understand the general sentiment of this community with regard to
>> the draft policy more directly.
>> With that in mind, I'd like to gather opinion and thoughts on several
>> key questions. These questions should be answered in terms of how you
>> believe ARIN should operate today and into the future in order to
>> uphold its goal of stewardship of the Internet number resources in its
>> care.
>> 1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
>> (Conservation/Sustainability)?
>> 2) Do you support the principle of hierarchical aggregation (Routability)?
>> 3) Do you support the principle of uniqueness (Registration)?
>> 4) Do you support the goal of balancing these principles with each
>> other under the overarching principle of Stewardship?
>> Please feel free to provide your thoughts on each of these items as
>> general principles. Please state a definitive support or do not
>> support for each individual principle/goal and provide a brief
>> rational for that position. For now I'd like to ask that we evaluate
>> the principles generally - and not to argue with each others opinions
>> but simply to each state our own. Once we have a sense of the
>> community support, we can then dig into specific text for each item
>> based on the level of support and the rationale behind that level of
>> support.
>> This will be very helpful as we decide our next steps with this draft
>> policy.
>> Thanks,
>> ~Chris
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