[arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for General Thoughts

Tony Hain alh-ietf at tndh.net
Mon Jun 10 15:26:49 EDT 2013


Point taken about the specific proposal, BUT:
One could take Chris' questions & the entirety of 2013-4 as a soul-searching
referendum on what many believe are Arin's fundamental operating principles
& mission statement, and as such those need an unbiased survey. One could
also argue that discussing any specific policy proposal in the context of
ambiguous operating principles is pointless,,,, unless there is a perceived
weakness that might be exploited and inverted into as large a barrier for
the reverse view as its current state is perceived to be by those initiating
the discussion. 

That said, translating 2050 principles into current & forward thinking RIR
policy needs to happen. In that light "Stewardship" of public resources is
the mission, not a policy point, as policies are applied to achieve the
mission. The point of "needs based" distribution is to preclude a
run-on-the-bank-because-you-can, but as I said earlier in an IPv6 context
this has to avoid being so focused on 'conservation' that it precludes
innovation. One could go so far as to argue that "need" in an IPv4 market
distribution model is less about conservation, and more about precluding
hoarding and speculative market manipulations, so functionally
"conservation" is a term that is OBE and applied only to the IPv4 free-pool.
If "efficient" still needs to be on the list as a measurement-metric /
enforcement-stick, combine it with routability, and make it something like
"routing efficiency within the deployed technology". This would allow a home
/ SMB routing technology to be less "efficient" than a professional network
engineer, as well as allow for new / different / non-hierarchal  routing
technologies to emerge over time.  I would also argue that "uniqueness" is
not an operating principle, as much as a means to achieve the principle of
"public documentation". "Registration" as an RIR principle is circular and
says the RIR's mission is simply to sustain itself. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller at syr.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 10:25 AM
> To: 'Tony Hain'; 'Chris Grundemann'; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for General
> Thoughts
> Tony
> These are very valuable and insightful comments. I would take issue only
> with one part of your conclusion:
> > While the survey is a great
> > starting point, it might make more sense to have Arin hire a
> > professional survey developer to create the questions for an "unbiased
> > about the outcome" manner as possible.
> While I am persuaded by your view that questions we are being asked are
> suffused with IPv4-think, in many ways Chris's survey was an accurate
> reflection of the content of 2013-4 itself, which is also suffused with
> think. It would not make sense I think to hire a professional survey
> developer, when the problem we have is not so much the nature of Chris's
> questions as it is the proposal we are working on. A professional survey
> developer hired by ARIN could not (and should not) be developing a policy
> proposal.
> In short, Chris is fulfilling his role as AC shepherd and with the
feedback from
> this survey, and from good comments such as yours, the author of this
> proposal should be able to go back to the drafting table and make some
> substantial changes and improvements.

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