[arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for General Thoughts

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Fri Jun 7 19:56:46 EDT 2013


Hi,

On Jun 7, 2013 7:17 AM, "Chris Grundemann" <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> As the shepherd for ARIN-2013-4, I'd like to note that while the
> initial conversation on this draft policy was fairly constructive,
> more recent comments have gone a bit off topic. Rather than debating
> the history of internet governance it would be very helpful for the AC
> to understand the general sentiment of this community with regard to
> the draft policy more directly.
>
> With that in mind, I'd like to gather opinion and thoughts on several
> key questions. These questions should be answered in terms of how you
> believe ARIN should operate today and into the future in order to
> uphold its goal of stewardship of the Internet number resources in its
> care.
>
> 1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
> (Conservation/Sustainability)?
>

No, not as implemented by ARIN.  I have posted to this list before my case
for why need-base should go away now, and in a post free pool world, and
definately for ipv6

Conservation has harmed the internet and forced NAT into nearly all
corporate, home, and mobile networks while also holding back progress on
ipv6.

I also have to use a ton of v4 squat.

> 2) Do you support the principle of hierarchical aggregation (Routability)?
>

No. It is simply not how the internet works.  Look a bgp table, it tells
the story of v4 and v6 not being aggregated accept by peering policy of /24
and /48

> 3) Do you support the principle of uniqueness (Registration)?
>

Yes. But i use squat ipv4 in a very large production environment

> 4) Do you support the goal of balancing these principles with each
> other under the overarching principle of Stewardship?
>

No. ARIN is an open community. Which sounds nice, but there is no minimum
bar on participation. Frankly, ip address admistration is not a magnet for
top engineering  talent.  It may be a magnet for lawyer talent.

ARIN is not a fit steward. As noted in previous mails, comcast has 4 ipv4
addresses per subscriber. I dont even have 0.25 addresses per sub.

My only point is that it's not purely equitable, it's how you work the
system.

> Please feel free to provide your thoughts on each of these items as
> general principles. Please state a definitive support or do not
> support for each individual principle/goal and provide a brief
> rational for that position. For now I'd like to ask that we evaluate
> the principles generally - and not to argue with each others opinions

+1. This is my view only. I run a network.

One of my least favorite parts of ppml is mental thumb-wrestling

> but simply to each state our own. Once we have a sense of the
> community support, we can then dig into specific text for each item
> based on the level of support and the rationale behind that level of
> support.
>
> This will be very helpful as we decide our next steps with this draft
policy.
>

Thanks for asking

Cameron

> Thanks,
> ~Chris
>
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