[arin-ppml] Regarding IPv4 known available for specified transfer (was: Re: Against 2013-4)

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Wed Jun 5 18:53:21 EDT 2013

On Jun 5, 2013, at 12:11 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
> The point is: show me a specific /24 I can buy right now. If the
> market is working well enough to seriously consider ditching the
> needs-basis as Milton would have us do then here is a specific /24
> that armed with an ARIN needs approval I can go buy right now. So
> ditch the competing theories and show me one.

Bill, I would not expect to find a huge pending market, since ARIN
still has space in its free pool available and can satisfy your 
request for /24 if you meet the policy requirements.  

Having noted such, there are folks who are indeed standing by ready
to provide resources into this growing market; in some cases, it may
have taken organizations substantial effort to free up these blocks
to have them now ready.

>From <https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/listings.txt> -

   CIDR Blocks Listed for Transfer

   Quantity           Block Size			
    9                     /16
    1                     /13

There are presently 9 /16's which are definitely available and
one /13.  I do not know if any of those parties will consider 
providing you a /24 and breaking up these blocks as a result.

Note - There are also likely other blocks available that various
facilitators know about, as there is no requirement for parties
to use the Specified Transfer Listing Service.

> If there is one available, if it exists, then refusing to weaken the
> so-called needs basis for buying it is flat-earth policy. We have
> addresses there being underutilized *because* of ARIN policy. We
> should iteratively weaken the needs basis for transfers until and
> unless we reach a point where its too weak to keep out hoarders and
> the market dries up.
> On the other hand, if I can't go buy a /24 right now then the current
> market design is already insufficient to create liquidity. Milton has
> no right to expect us to accept that with all controls released things
> will magically work out. There are far too many historical examples
> where things didn't. He can use his vaunted expertise to figure out
> how to create market liquidity with the controls still in place before
> we consider relaxing them.

(I have no view on the draft policy under discussion, and am providing
this information solely for accuracy of the community discussion of same.)


John Curran
President and CEO

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