[arin-ppml] Against 2013-4

Heather Schiller heather.skanks at gmail.com
Wed Jun 5 12:15:27 EDT 2013

In line..

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/4/13, Kevin Kargel <kkargel at polartel.com> wrote:
> > I for one am a supporter of the needs basis.  As I have said before, if
> we
> I don't.   I favor needs basis policy as a necessary evil;  to avoid
> excess abuse of the registry, and help assure the conservation of
> scarce number resources.
> Needs basis is a bad thing,  in the sense that it essentially says
> "The RIR is going to decide what the RIR thinks you need, and give you
> only this" -- but for IPv4 and ASN numbers, this is good policy.

The community decided how to determine what you *need* -- and told the RIR
to enforce it.  The RIR just measures and arbitrates requests.  It's up to
the community to change the underlying definition of *need* as it sees fit
- not the RIR.

> > eliminate the needs basis then I want to be first in line to request
> > everything that is left.  I am sure there will be quite a queue.
> <snip>
> > My perception is that the ARIN community is strongly biased to support
> needs
> The ARIN community is strongly biased towards supporting IPv4,  so it
> makes sense,  they would  favor  draconian policy  required to support
> a rapidly diminishing resource.
> But this isn't good for ARIN.

Can you explain what you meant here?  Do you really mean ARIN here or the
community or?  Because "ARIN" just enforces whatever the community gives

> > basis and there is a very vocal minority trying to eliminate it so that
> they
> > can create a market they can profit by.  I don't read the opposition to
> Characterizing  opponents as  "vocal minority  with an agenda"
> in that manner is so disingenuous...
> > needs basis as having anything to do with the good of the community,
> though
> > there have been many mutations of the spin on it to try and advertise it
> > that way.
> >
> > Kevin
> --
> -JH
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