[arin-ppml] Against 2013-4

Brian Jones bjones at vt.edu
Tue Jun 4 11:08:05 EDT 2013


I have to agree that there needs to be some form of needs assessment at a
minimum otherwise like Kevin says below, " ...
they can create a market they can profit by."... and "...if we eliminate
the needs basis then I want to be first in line to request everything that
is left.  I am sure there will be quite a queue.". Needs assessment should
not mean be overly conservative, but should mean be realistic, in my
opinion.

However any type of needs assessment has to incorporate and facilitate
addressing, routing, and allocation allotments that make sense. One would
not want to hinder deployments of networks due to address allocation, but
actually promote healthy growth of networks through wisely chosen
allocation of address blocks that can exists and mesh into the routing
tables with summarized routes that are manageable and hopefully have a
somewhat intuitive pattern that is understandable form the network operator
perspective.

--
Brian


On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Kevin Kargel <kkargel at polartel.com> wrote:

> I for one am a supporter of the needs basis.  As I have said before, if we
> eliminate the needs basis then I want to be first in line to request
> everything that is left.  I am sure there will be quite a queue.
>
> My perception is that the ARIN community is strongly biased to support
> needs basis and there is a very vocal minority trying to eliminate it so
> that they can create a market they can profit by.  I don't read the
> opposition to needs basis as having anything to do with the good of the
> community, though there have been many mutations of the spin on it to try
> and advertise it that way.
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:17 PM
> To: Steven Ryerse
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Against 2013-4
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2013, at 12:37 , Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I take issue with the assumption that "this community" is strongly for
> needs based assignments.  Certainly there are folks in this community who
> frequently and sometimes loudly voice their support for needs based
> assignment policies.  Then of course there are folks in this community like
> me who are vehemently against needs based assignments and I certainly have
> voiced that frequently and sometimes loudly.  There have been others who
> have done so as well from time to time.
>
> It is not an assumption. It is reflected in the numbers each time this
> question has been raised in a public policy meeting throughout ARIN's
> history.
>
> Owen
>
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