[arin-ppml] Against 2013-4

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Mon Jun 3 13:51:58 EDT 2013

On Jun 3, 2013, at 12:34 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:57 PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>>  However, we know that DDN NIC (run by SRI) did require you to specify your
>>  need for address space to determine which size allocation to issue you and
>>  this meant your anticipated need initially, and at one, two, and five years
>>  out.   This information was required to be submitted with the network
>>  request template, and we have copies of those back as early as
>>  1990 which make the requirement quite clear, and definitely in
>>  keeping with the term needs-assessment as it is in use today.
> Hi John,
> Suggesting that the pre-1995 templates were "quite clear" in their
> needs-basis stretches the truth. Prior to the 9/94 template, the
> standard for larger-than-/24 assignments was "strong and convincing
> reason" with no further guidance as to what sort of reason was
> acceptable. No reason was expected for a /24 assignment.

> The 8/95 template was the first one which called out the estimate of
> hosts and subnets as providing the justification for a larger-than-/24
> assignment.

Bill, the 4/90 template asks for the number of hosts that will be on 
the network initially, within one year, two years, and five years, 
and then additionally requires a strong and convincing reason if you 
are requesting more that a /24. You've already got a copy of here:

Clearly, any assignment larger than a /24 was needs-based by any
definition (and this is in April 1990).  I would argue that the 
requirement to provide the number of hosts )that would be on the 
network) is also a form of demonstrating one's need, but you are
free to interpret it as you see fit.


John Curran
President and CEO

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