[arin-ppml] A Redefinition ofIPv4NeedpostARINrun-out(was:Re:Against2013-4)

[Chris James]

Agreed.

Chris James
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On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Sweeting, John
<john.sweeting at twcable.com>wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>  If possible could we move this to a private conversation? This has all
> been aired on PPML several times before and at this point it serves no
> purpose. If we could please get back on track and focus on a current draft
> policy or proposal and state reasons for support or non support it would be
> very much appreciated.
>
>  Thanks,
> John
>
>
>
>   From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:12 PM
> To: Mike Burns <mike at nationwideinc.com>
> Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>, Mike Burns <
> mike at iptrading.com>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] A Redefinition
> ofIPv4NeedpostARINrun-out(was:Re:Against2013-4)
>
>   On Jun 19, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Mike Burns <mike at nationwideinc.com> wrote:
>
>        You may say "legally purchasing" rights, but I truly don't know
> what these parties think
>    they purchased, since it can't be the ability to inject routes and have
> them accepted
>    (no one can provide that) nor the right to use the entry in the
> registry, when the
>    circumstances are contrary to policy.
>
>
> I guess they figure they are buying what the Nortel bankruptcy judge
> called the “exclusive right to use” the addresses.
>
>
>  Indeed, but those are rights which may be transferred in accordance with
> policy.  In the case
> of Nortel, this was accomplished by ARIN working with Microsoft and
> confirming compliance
> and then removing our objection, a point which Nortel's own filing makes -
> "10. Second, the
> revisions reflected in the Amended Sale Agreement and Revised Order were
> the result of
> negotiations between Microsoft, ARIN and NNI and, accordingly, ARIN’s
> counsel has
> informed NNI that it does not oppose entry of the Revised Order. " <NNI
> Docket #5280>
>
>  No problem buying the rights (that is, after all, what a transfer is)
> but you also have to wait
> for the approval before considering the deal "closed", just as in the
> Nortel case.
>
>
>   Consider if the buyer of the radio station could begin and continue
> broadcasting without regard to regulatory approval?
> Does that make a listener un-hear a broadcast? Or would the incentives
> lead to lots of wildcat radio stations pending approval?
>
>
>  The safest move is to finalize the sale upon the approval; claiming that
> it is complete prior
> to that point is rather innovative (and might even be considered fraud if
> done knowingly...)
>
>  FYI,
> /John
>
>  John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
>
>
>
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