[arin-ppml] Against 2013-4
John Curran
jcurran at arin.net
Mon Jun 3 12:57:08 EDT 2013
On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>> Needs basis and documented justified need have been required since the
>> days when Jon Postel tracked IP address assignments in a notebook, so I am
>> not sure how you can claim that this concept was developed in the final
>> death throes of IPv4.
>
> No, I challenge this on a factual basis. The main legacy holders from the mid-1980s - MIT, GE, the military, etc. - were not subject to needs assessments as we use that term today.
Milton -
It is quite possible that the very earliest allocations were made without
respect to need (at least as we use the term "needs-assessment" today)
One wonders whether saying to Jon, "I want an address block" versus
"I need an address block" made a meaningful difference in the earliest
days, but that's quite likely unknowable.
However, we know that DDN NIC (run by SRI) did require you to specify your
need for address space to determine which size allocation to issue you and
this meant your anticipated need initially, and at one, two, and five years
out. This information was required to be submitted with the network request
template, and we have copies of those back as early as 1990 which make the
requirement quite clear, and definitely in keeping with the term needs-
assessment as it is in use today.
> If they were, you have to explain how MIT and a few others have ended up giving back large chunks, effectively admitting that they did not need them? If they did not need them, how did they get them?
Not only do needs change over time, but the deployment of CIDR in the early
90's allowed organizations to far more effectively subdivide their existing
blocks and hence allow space to be returned. It is quite likely that an
organization with many buildings and lans might be concerned about fitting
it all in a /16 (and hence requested a /8) would have found itself post-CIDR
able to fit in a /16 easily.
> This is probably not a very fruitful argument in that it is not forward-looking, but I do want to make it clear that claims that "we have always done it this way" are just false.
We actually don't know if saying "we have always done it this way" is
factually correct, since we do not know the rigour of the earliest
requests, but stating that its been done that way for the last two
decades is provably correct.
(I have no view on the draft policy under discussion, and am providing
this information solely for accuracy of the community discussion of same.)
FYI,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
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