[arin-ppml] Initial ISP Allocation Policy

Justin Krejci JKrejci at usinternet.com
Wed Jul 17 16:02:46 EDT 2013

Here is my newbie and possibly naive response.

Without additional details on individual cases in the list, I would expect all of those cases to be "end-users" as none of them are in the business of reallocating address blocks. Right or wrong I've always been under the impression this to be the general rule of thumb: if allowed to reallocate then you're an ISP, else end-user; maybe to back up even further the primary purpose of the listed organizations are not to provide Internet connectivity services nor is it their primary goal or likely even a secondary goal.

Akamai, provide effective access to 3rd party content
Google, provide advertising, searching, and various web related services
U of Maryland, provide education
Starbucks, provide beverages and calories in solid form
Hilton/Marriott, provide hospitality
Linode, provide virtual server hosting
Godaddy, provide DNS/web hosting

In any case, NRPM 2.6 says, "An end-user is an organization receiving assignments of IP addresses exclusively for use in its operational networks." I think all of these example cases seem to fit this wording as they are operating their identified systems within their operational networks. Maybe "operational networks" could be construed to mean a variety of things, some which may conflict with one another, I don't know.

From: William Herrin [bill at herrin.us]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 2:06 PM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Initial ISP Allocation Policy

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> Having made applications under both policy frameworks and
> having been active in authoring policies on both sides of the
> spectrum, I think that the needs of these two different
> communities in terms of how they justify resources are,
> in fact, quite distinct.  I suggest this exercise for anyone
> who doubts this is the case...

Akamai assigns IP addresses to its servers for use with SSL. Akamai
owns the servers. The servers cache content from other servers they
don't own and then feed it up to the public on request.

ISP or end-user? Why?

Google assignes IP addresses to its servers for SSL. Google owns the
servers. The servers cache content from other servers they don't own
and index it for searching by google users.

ISP or end-user? Why?

The University of Maryland assigns IP addresses to students in dorms.
The computers are owned by the students and do everything from web
surfing to bit torrent to servers.

ISP or end-user? Why?

Starbucks Coffee runs wifi hot spots. Many many wifi hotspots.

ISP or end-user? Why?

Hilton and Marriott provide Internet service to their customers during
their stays.

ISP or end-user? Why?

Linode assigns IP addresses to virtual servers running only on
equipment they own. Each virtual server is leased to a customer.

ISP or end-user? Why?

Godaddy vends DNS service to half the Internet using only equipment they own.

ISP or end-user? Why?

Bill Herrin

William D. Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/>
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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