[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Mon Jul 15 17:05:48 EDT 2013


In your "right sized allocations" vision for policy is it necessary for 
a large company with a /8 to demonstrate that they are using the current 
/8 they have before they can get another one?  How long after they get 
there new /8 can they ask for another one, 1 day, 1 month, 1 year, 2 


On 7/15/13 15:23 , Steven Ryerse wrote:
> If you are publicly traded and your company’s revenues are public then
> the size of the company is available to all.  This could be used to make
> sure only a large organization who might actually have use for it can
> get a /8 or other large block size.  The other info that could be used
> is how much resource does an org have now.  If they have a /8 they might
> really have use for another /8.  If they have a /22 they might really
> have use for another /22.  Obviously the org with a /22 isn’t likely to
> have use for a /8.  Orgs with multiple allocations already can add them
> together including legacy blocks.  An org that has no allocation or one
> up to a /22 allocation should be able to qualify for the currently
> defined minimum sized block which I believe is currently a /22 .  The
> rare case where an org with a very small or no current allocation has
> use for a very large block can be handled as an exception with more
> proof required that the block they are requesting – I’m thinking this
> would require a manager at ARIN to handle.  I’m guessing it is rare that
> an org needs to add more than double what they already have allocated
> and those can be special cases handled as exceptions with additional
> proof required.  In this way the blocks allocated are right sized for
> the size of the org requesting the allocation.  There are some smart
> folks in this community who might be able to tweak this idea and make it
> better, especially for larger allocations.
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> *From:*Blake Dunlap [mailto:ikiris at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, July 15, 2013 3:01 PM
> *To:* Steven Ryerse
> *Cc:* Matthew Wilder; David Farmer; arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles -
> revised
> Exactly how is this "right sized allocation" based on network size
> different than needs basis allocation?
> -Blake
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Steven Ryerse
> <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com <mailto:SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>> wrote:
> Note that I did say "right sized allocations" and have said multiple
> times that it is fine to match allocations with the size of the
> organization and/or the size of the organization's current network.  I
> also have stated that we need to be good technical stewards and I think
> most folks here agree with that.  I do not think a small organization
> like ours for example should ever get the technical equivalent of a /8
> or even close to it.  I do strongly think that every organization should
> be able to get a right sized allocation if they are going to use it as
> that grows the Internet - which in case folks forget is ARIN's mission.
> Steven L Ryerse
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