[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

Steven Ryerse SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
Fri Jul 12 11:49:37 EDT 2013

I disagree. Unlike say land which they aren't making more of, address schemes can alway be updated like IPv4 to IPv6. When IPv6 runs out we'll switch to IPv8 or whatever (albeit at a cost) or something better than IP.  Thus we don't need to conserve at all - we just need to do right sized allocations so we don't have to pay the additional cost to switch sooner than we have to.  Nothing like ipv4 or ipv6 or asn numbers need to somehow be conserved for a rainy day if there are folks that want to use them. 

Bill is right that the word conserve needs to be removed. 

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On Jul 11, 2013, at 7:59 PM, "David Farmer" <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

> I really don't understand this debate on Conservation. :{
> There are some that seem to be claim that conservation is irrelevant with IPv4 free pool run-out.
> I say so what!  We still have IPv6 and ASNs to worry about, and while both resource pools are GARGANTUAN by comparison, they are not infinite.  Therefore some concept of conservation remains necessary, obviously not the same concept that we have had in IPv4 for the last 20 years or so.  But, completely eliminating conservation as a concept, principle, or goal, of how we manage Internet number resources, seems like the proverbial "throwing the baby out with the bath water."
> Then others are not willing to concede that anything changes with IPv4 run-out.
> I'll can say I really hope something changes, the focus on conservation that became necessary in the late '90s for IPv4, has nearly lead to the abandonment of other principles like the end-to-end model, open availability of resources (anyone building a network should be able to get unique addresses), etc...
> So how do we move forward? I suggest;
> 1. Can everyone concede that going forward, conservation is much less important, but that the need for some concept of conservation doesn't completely go away either.
> 2. Lets focus the conversation on other issues for a while, let this cool down a little, then come back to it after we've cooled down and maybe have resolved some of the other issues.
> 3. Are there other concepts, principles, or goals that were missing?  I suggested earlier that there were additional principles we should be looking at.  An candidates has come up in the conversation today that I would like to propose;
>   0.2 Fair Distribution
>   The principle of Fair Distribution is the precept that the
>   fundamental purpose of Internet number resources management is to
>   distributed unique number resources in a fair and impartial manner
>   to entities building and operating networks, for benefit of all
>   Internet users equally, and thereby facilitating the growth and
>   sustainability of the Internet.
> I'd make this #2 behind Registration, and I'd suggest Conservation could follow and ties into this principle through the concepts of "fairness" and "sustainability"
> Thanks
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