[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

cb.list6 cb.list6 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 11 13:26:53 EDT 2013


On Jul 11, 2013 10:08 AM, "Eric Brunner-Williams" <ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net>
wrote:
>
> On 7/11/13 9:26 AM, cb.list6 wrote:
> > Who would benefit from hoarding?
>
> Many.
>
> > Hoarding seems like economic "dumping", there are rules and policies
> > around it, but it has never really occured because the economics are
> > wrong. The market ensures dumping does not occur.
>
> Before embarking on a law and economics discourse it would be useful
> if you could suggest you are capable of conducting it to a conclusion
> consistent with your initial offerings, informed by and answering
> adequately critical commentary.
>

Really?

CB

> > Or like the FUD about walmart driving local business out and then
> > jacking up prices after competition is gone, its just fud. People made
> > a big noise about it 20 years ago, not any more.
>
> Could we not segway from a range of ints to some other subject.
>
> > I think the market is only interestes in transactions. Ipv4 addresses
> > are like most cars, they depreciate rapidly so hoarding is not a real
> > thing.
>
> Thought is nice, proof is better. There are numbers, they go the other
> way.
>
> > And, with google fiber at 77% ipv6 and vzw over 25%, i must say i
> > would no hoard ipv4.
>
> The relevance of your point of view may have local scope.
>
> > But, my ask is, lets not assume hoarding or threats to ipv4 by bad
> > actors unless there is a real case that applies.
>
> Fine. A condition previously met.
>
> > Afaik, arin brought transfers in to increase efficiency
>
> Possibly, though efficiency in what is open to interpretation.
>
> Eric
>
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