[arin-ppml] 2013-5 LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions

Stephen Sprunk stephen at sprunk.org
Thu Aug 15 15:53:16 EDT 2013

On 15-Aug-13 10:31, David Huberman wrote:
> I do not support this draft policy as written below.  The text avoids the root of the problem trying to be solved: the notions of "ISP" and "end-user" are anachronisms in today's internetworking world.  In my opinion, there should be no such delineations.  Policy should treat networks as just that: networks.
> Dan Alexander and I floated some of ideas on PPML last month, in the hopes of sparking some good ideas and conversation about how best to begin tearing down the ISP v. end-user walls.  If there is community interest in dealing with the myriad problems with current policy definitions of ISP and end-user, then I urge the community to work towards a NRPM that doesn't have separate classes of customers.

This dichotomy was never valid technical policy.  To understand it,
"follow the money."

There is a substantial difference in the fees between the groups today,
so the group that pays lower fees (i.e. end users) will resist any
attempt to merge them with the group that pays higher fees (i.e. ISPs/LIRs).


Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: smime.p7s
Type: application/pkcs7-signature
Size: 2381 bytes
Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
URL: <https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20130815/c754e1fb/attachment.p7s>

More information about the ARIN-PPML mailing list