[arin-ppml] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

lar at mwtcorp.net lar at mwtcorp.net
Thu Apr 18 16:29:19 EDT 2013

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:58:06 -0500
  David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> On 4/17/13 12:55 , John Springer wrote:
>> Paste from arin-discuss, from an exchange between Owen and Randy Carpenter
>>>> I think the real problem here is requiring pre-existing PA space of
>>>> certain amounts as the initial test. The combination of a customer
>>>> base, need, and efficient utilization of any PA space is probably the
>>>> better test.
>>> This is something that I believe really needs fixed (and needs to be
>>> fixed very quickly).
>>> -Randy
>> This seems to be rather far along to a problem statement. I agree with
>> both statements.
>> John Springer
> While not policy text this is still more about the solution than the 
>problem.  There needs to be more about why "requiring pre-existing PA" 
>creates undesirable results for example, or how current policy effects new 
>ISPs businesses in undesirable ways.  A problem statement needs to motivate 
>why change is necessary as well as how to solve it.  So, what's wrong with 
>the current policy?  Not just what should the new policy look like.  In the 
>above I mostly only see what should the new policy look like and almost 
>nothing about issues created by the current policy.

The current problem is that the amount of PA space a "new" ISP has is becoming
more a function of the amount of available PI space the upstream provider has
at his disposal, than it is the need or size of the ISP.

In rural settings switching providers or multi-homing may not be economically
possible because of distance or access to needed infrastructure.

I have seen this first hand as a small upstream. I cannot qualify for more PI 
because I don't meet the 80% rule, (It's quite difficult if all you have is a 
and due to restructuring and careful use of IP I have been able to do without 
IP for a number of years. From ARIN's perspective my 3-month usage rate is 0.

I am also an upstream for two WISP's each with aprox 1000-1500 customers. They 
can easily
justify a /22. Each one would be 25% of my total PI space. I can't do it and 
they can't qualify
for their own PI space because I could only squeeze out /24 to each.

> Thanks
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