[arin-ppml] Incorrect POC on resource records

Steven Noble snoble at sonn.com
Wed Sep 26 13:01:05 EDT 2012

On Sep 26, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
> Let me just point something out here.
> The whole concept that Legacy owners do not have a duty and responsibility to maintain correct and valid POCs on IP numbering
> flies in the face of the overall support the Internet has for
> knowing who is assigned numbers.
> In the past, ARIN could sidestep this issue by telling people "well,
> we are gonna force them to keep their record current because if they
> don't, and they want more IP numbers, they won't get them until they
> clean up their records"
> This had a giant glaring flaw in that not all orgs are under unlimited
> growth and will ever need more resources - a flaw I and others pointed
> out with regularity - but it sufficed for most people, so we were ignored.

Did you also point out how hard it is to get things updated in the ARIN database?  Once ARIN changes the POC from a real person to their POC, the company has to go through hoops to get the information updated.  It should be very easy for the original POC to get reinstated.  And if ARIN changes the POC without notice then what?  It now becomes the legacy holders fault?  No.

> But now, since there are no more IPv4 numbers to give out, ARIN can
> no longer punt this issue down the field.
> We have orgs using IPv4 resources who are effectively unknown because
> they don't have to pay a bill every year, and because they have either
> deliberately or accidentally allowed their contact info on those resources to go stale.

Or they cannot update the contact info as ARIN has changed the POC.  I guess you have never been on the other side of the table, but I have and it's a huge pita once ARIN decides that your record is invalid.  You can't update your physical address even if they can verify it.  This is a very one sided system.

> It is unfair that 98% of users of IPv4 are contractually obligated to
> maintain contactable information on their IP addressing use, and 2%
> of them - the legacies - seem to assume they have some sort of right
> to not do this.  It was always unfair but the community didn't want to
> face the issue, and allowed ARIN to kick the can down the road.

You are using the unfair argument?  I can't go with you here.

> Well, now the community wants more IPv4 - even though there is none left - and the legacies who appear to have abandoned their IPv4
> resources by deliberately or inadvertently not maintaining valid
> contact info, are being regarded by many as "fair game"
> I am very satisfied with this.  Why aren't you?

Because I have been and still am on the other side of this.  Since you seem to have never had one of your valid POCs marked invalid, you should try it.  Then when you spend 8 years fighting with ARIN over it you can tell us what a great system it is.  There are two sides Ted.

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