[arin-ppml] Regarding unauthorized changes (Re: Policy question)

William Herrin bill at herrin.us
Fri Sep 21 19:29:10 EDT 2012

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett at netconsonance.com> wrote:
> This is exactly the same situation which can happen with a house title.
> Houses have been sold right out from under their owners by exactly the means
> you listed here in this message. It is not the fault of the city which
> records the title change based on proper documentation given to them.
> For people in this situation to recover their house, they need to open a
> court case and submit documentation proving that they own their house and
> they they did not sell it, and that the person who did sell it was not
> authorized to do so, etc etc.  There is well established legal precedence
> for this.

Hi Jo,

You missed a step.

At the point where title changes hands, the legitimate owners are
*still in possession* of the house. To do anything with the house,
anything at all, the fraudulent title holder must initiate eviction
proceedings against the owner. The owner keeps possession until and
unless those proceedings complete in the fraudster's favor. Which they
generally don't. The actual fraudster is long gone and the otherwise
honest folks who thought they bought a house are left holding the bag.

Sucks for both of them and correcting the paper title can get
expensive but the legitimate owner is rarely deprived of the use of
the house in the mean time. The old saw is that "possession is nine
tenths of the law."

ARIN, on the other hand, has gone to great contractual lengths to
assure that the paper, the title, the registration *is* the item
possessed. "IP addresses are not property" as they like to say. Upon
change of registration, the new registrant possesses the addresses,
can change the RDNS, can alter the RPKI records and can have the
routes announced without immediate recourse.

So if centuries of jurisprudence on houses has built this onerous,
multi-level barrier to fraudulent dispossession, what's ARIN's level
of diligence for the often more valuable address blocks?

> There is also a market where one can sue the title insurance company who was
> supposed to do investigation to clear the title. But nobody can sue the
> county who records the title change--they accept paperwork, they process
> paperwork which is properly submitted

That's because as a government, the county has sovereign immunity.
ARIN is not a government and no government reviews and approves ARIN

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Jeffrey Lyon
<jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net> wrote:
> I can't go into a lot of detail about my specific case as there is now
> a court filing from what I understand. My bigger goal here is to
> compel ARIN to adopt a process similar to UDRP that would allow
> resource holder's to enforce their rights without blowing their rainy
> day fund on a lawyer.

Hi Jeffrey,

Reports of injustice at the hands of ICANN's UDRP are legion, and
that's where there's an intrinsic relationship between the disputed
resource and the folks alleging rights to it: that name is my name -
on and off the Internet.

I would far prefer for ARIN to insist that disputes be settle in court
as they do now. IMO, binding arbitration ought to be a crime anywhere
that one of the parties to it lacked genuine choice about
participating. It short circuits due process. Due process is expensive
so when both parties to a dispute want to short circuit it, that's
fine. But when its part of shrink wrap licenses and contracts of
adhesion I have a real problem with it.

Getting off that tangent, my major concern in this discussion is that
while proceedings are ongoing, ARIN should act in the manner least
likely to cause irreparable damage to the eventual victor. Where the
dispute arose over a change to a record, the least damaging course of
action is likely to be reverting that record to a state for which no
timely challenge has been offered.

Where a dispute arises because a record does not change, I have to
think it is exactly correct for ARIN to insist on waiting for a court
order before making any changes.

Bill Herrin

William D. Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/>
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004

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