[arin-ppml] Regarding unauthorized changes (Re: Policy question)

Christoph Blecker cblecker at gmail.com
Fri Sep 21 00:41:36 EDT 2012

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Jeffrey Lyon
<jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:25 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:14 AM, Jeffrey Lyon <jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net>
>>  wrote:
>>> The original registrant in this case does not operate a network and
>>> has no authority to maintain or route space according to ARIN's own
>>> policies. It is unconscionable that I be expected to prove this in a
>>> court.
>> Jeffrey -
>>   There could easily be organizations holding resources that have today
>>   no network and no customers; that does not provide one with the ability
>>   to transfer their number resources without their consent (nor is it a
>>   germane question for a court of law.)
>>   Whether such a party transferred its rights via agreement to you is
>>   germane, but requires a legal adjudication of contractual dispute
>>   (and is not ARIN's job.)
>> FYI,
>> /John
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
> John,
> This is the nature of my complaint. It needs to be ARIN's job. We
> should not pawn our responsibilities off onto the courts.
> --
> Jeffrey A. Lyon, CISSP
> President, Black Lotus Communications
> mobile: (757) 304-0668 | gtalk: jeffrey.lyon at gmail.com | skype: blacklotus.net
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Why would it be ARIN's job? From what I understand of the situation,
you purchased a portion of a organization as part of a bankruptcy.
Your understanding of the contract says you take over the rights to
the number resources (and are obviously routing/using them at the
moment). The other side disagrees with this, and is not agreeing to
the transfer. Sounds like a cut and dry contract dispute that it's up
to the courts to solve.

If there was a dispute over any other clause of the contract, the
courts would settle it -- why is this different? While ARIN *could*
make up it's own mind about what the contract says, why would ARIN
(and it's membership) want to take on such a liability, when there is
already a civil process to deal with it?

Please let me know if I'm missing or misinterpreting the details of
this particular example.


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