[arin-ppml] quantitative study of IPv4 address market

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Sep 5 15:24:11 EDT 2012

You can obtain ARIN addresses for completely private unrouted networks with a 0% routed rate under ARIN policy.

I could go to ARIN today and justify such a network and receive addresses from the free pool without any form of fraud.

If you don't like that policy, then submit a proposal. However, John is right... It is entirely possible that the convicted company
in Redmond justified their addresses and is using them in accordance with that justification without routing them.

Personally, I'm not wild about this fact, either and I do think something smells rotten in that deal. However, there is no
evidence to support action on any such claim. Milton's analysis is flawed and utterly ignores this reality.


On Sep 5, 2012, at 10:45 , Mike Burns <mike at nationwideinc.com> wrote:

> I admit to being out of my league here, is there a hosting organization who thinks a 2% routed rate is realistic for a block of 660,000 addresses?
> And ARIN is OK with handing out addresses with a 2% routed rate, simply to prevent problems associated with hypothetical future acquisitions?
> And this is so common that the fact that the very first public deal has these characteristics, and we are to accept that coincidence?
> Regards,
> Mike
> -----Original Message----- From: John Curran
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:36 PM
> To: Mike Burns
> Cc: Milton L Mueller ; <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] quantitative study of IPv4 address market
> On Sep 5, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com>
> wrote:
>> There are over 17 million RFC 1918 addresses that can be privately used!
> Not if you don't want horrible conflicts when you acquire or merge in
> any other organization.
>> Can anybody speculate on a valid justification for the delivery of 660,000 addresses required to be used within a year, with 98% of them to be unrouted?
> Speak with nearly any hosting organization, particularly given today's
> unique IP address needs for virtual servers.
> FYI,
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> = 
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