[arin-ppml] quantitative study of IPv4 address market

Steven Ryerse SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
Tue Sep 4 21:53:11 EDT 2012


John from your point below to Mike, it is obvious that organizations value certainty of having enough IPv4 addresses secured, and it doesn’t matter what the reason is - as I’m sure there are many reasons.  Having any policy with a 90 day horizon or even a 1 year horizon does NOT provide that certainly, and it is clear that the Microsoft’s of this world value that or they would not pay such a large premium for addresses from sources outside ARIN.  Smaller organizations want the same security relative to their size.  ARIN should help meet the needs of all size organizations with a realistic horizon and not an arbitrary one.  Then when the day comes that ARINs current supply is exhausted, ARIN should reasonably turn over every rock to provide more if more are requested.  Once ARIN doesn’t have any more and can’t get enough to meet demand, IPv6 will bloom and that will ultimately solve this problem.


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From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 6:22 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] quantitative study of IPv4 address market

On Sep 4, 2012, at 10:26 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com<mailto:SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>> wrote:


In Milton’s study he clearly outlines that Microsoft chose to purchase a large number of addresses thru bankruptcy court, even though ARIN has plenty to allocate.  According to Milton’s numbers, Microsoft made a business decision to pay over seven million dollars when they could have gotten the same number of IPv4 addresses from ARIN for less than a hundred thousand dollars.  Microsoft is not a dumb company and they certainly don’t waste over seven million dollars  for no reason.  It is pretty obvious that Milton is right that they did it because they wanted to secure plenty of addresses so that the capital they are investing in their various businesses isn’t at risk for lack of IPv4 addresses.  They did what any sane organization would do and minimized their risk – and it was worth it for them to do that even at the cost of seven million dollars more than what ARIN charges.

To be clear, Microsoft met the same needs-based criteria as any other
transfer recipient and the resources they hold are subject to number
resource policies in the region.

Since that initial transaction, we've had many others (see below, and you
will find that they have much more explicit language in their approved
transfer documents.  Milton is correct that there is an active transfer
market, but his other assertions (extrapolated from the single Nortel -
Microsoft data point) unfortunately ignore the remainder of the data.

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

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From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net<mailto:jcurran at arin.net>>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-174 Policies Apply to All Resourcesin the Registry
Date: June 22, 2012 6:23:25 PM GMT+01:00
To: Mike Burns <mike at nationwideinc.com<mailto:mike at nationwideinc.com>>
Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>" <arin-ppml at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>

On Jun 22, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Mike Burns wrote:
... Microsoft paid $7.5 million for addresses which ARIN says they could have got from ARIN for free, because they passed the justification test.

Mike -

    If requested resources from the free pool every 90 days, and if the
    pool had held out, then they may have achieved the same goal.

    Many parties seem attracted to the certainty from having a large
    block of number resources to meet their future business needs;
    in addition to Microsoft, the following additional transfers have
    been transferred from bankruptcy estates:

       Borders Group, Inc., et al., (S.D.NY) 12/20/2011 1 /16
       Teknowledge Corporation (N.D.CA) 1/24/2012 1/16
       Northern Telecom Canada, Ltd. (Nortel II – Canada) 2/24/2012 2/16’s
       Bell-Northern Research (Nortel II – Canada) 2/29/2012 1/14 2/29/2012 1/14 4/10/2012 2/16’s

   You'd have to ask the recipients why the value receiving number
   resources through transfer; ARIN simply processes the requests
   per policy.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
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