[arin-ppml] POC privacy

Patrick Klos patrick at klos.com
Fri Oct 26 18:55:40 EDT 2012

Chu, Yi [NTK] wrote:
> Good story aside, some people may not appreciate the fact that any 
> anonymous person on earth can track them down, especially the pizza 
> guy had no business in the network.
> I take this story as indication that the current system is lacking 
> concern for privacy.

I don't think the story has any privacy implications whatsoever?  It was 
just a good story about how resourceful some people can be when they 
need to contact someone who is otherwise incommunicado!  (and I suspect 
the pizza guy was somehow compensated for his "delivery"?)

If a person or entity has resources on the [public] Internet, and those 
resources are misbehaving in one way or another, why shouldn't "any 
anonymous person on earth" be able to track down the owner or 
operator/ISP of those resources to make sure they're aware of the bad 
behavior??  Whether people "appreciate" that level of responsibility or 
not, they get it when they sign up for the [public] Internet.

If one of my hosts on one of my networks was causing an issue or not 
working properly, I hope that some kind [anonymous] person would attempt 
to contact me ASAP so I can deal with the issue.  I have no reason to 
hide from anyone, and I certainly don't want any of my equipment to 
cause trouble for my customers or anyone else on the Internet!

Patrick Klos
Klos Technologies, Inc.

> -----Original message-----
>     *From: *Patrick Klos <patrick at klos.com>*
>     To: *Steven Noble <snoble at sonn.com>*
>     Cc: *"ARIN-PPML at arin.net" <ARIN-PPML at arin.net>*
>     Sent: *Fri, Oct 26, 2012 15:19:41 CDT*
>     Subject: *Re: [arin-ppml] POC privacy
>     Steven Noble wrote:
>     > Michael Siebel called Kyle's friends and found out he was in Lake
>     Tahoe and got the address of the house. So here's a problem for
>     you, you know the address where someone is and he's not answering
>     his phone. How do you get a message to him right away? Michael
>     went on Yelp and looked for a pizza place near the house and
>     called them up and said, "I want to have a pizza delivered.  But
>     never mind the pizza. Just send a delivery guy over and say these
>     four words: The site is down." The pizza place was very confused
>     by this, but they send the pizza guy without a pizza, Kyle answers
>     the door, and the pizza guy says, "The site is down." Kyle was
>     able to fix it, and the site was down for less than an hour total
>     from beginning to end.
>     >
>     > Sent from my iPhone
>     >  
>     Wow... PIZZA-GRAM... that's a great story!  (And you typed in on an
>     iPhone - I don't have the patience!)
>     I've been known to jump through hoops once or twice to track down
>     someone at some domain or network, but Michael Siebel has taken it to
>     the next level.  I am seriously impressed!  I'll have to remember
>     this
>     one.  I suspect it'll work with Chinese take-out as well??   ;^)
>     I hope Kyle got a pizza out of the deal anyway?
>     Patrick
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