[arin-ppml] POC privacy

Steven Noble snoble at sonn.com
Fri Oct 26 14:25:08 EDT 2012

I don't see one. If a network is spamming or an AS is advertising a wrong prefix or your prefix as a /24 you want the best available information possible. Even the address can matter. 

A semi relevant read. 


Let me give you one last example of improvising. The Justin.tv founders were having a lot of scaling issues in the beginning. One weekend their whole video system went down. Kyle was in charge of it, but no one knew where Kyle was. And Kyle wasn't picking up his cell phone. This was live video so it was pretty critical that this get fixed immediately.

Michael Siebel called Kyle's friends and found out he was in Lake Tahoe and got the address of the house. So here's a problem for you, you know the address where someone is and he's not answering his phone. How do you get a message to him right away? Michael went on Yelp and looked for a pizza place near the house and called them up and said, "I want to have a pizza delivered.  But never mind the pizza. Just send a delivery guy over and say these four words: The site is down." The pizza place was very confused by this, but they send the pizza guy without a pizza, Kyle answers the door, and the pizza guy says, "The site is down." Kyle was able to fix it, and the site was down for less than an hour total from beginning to end.

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On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Kevin Kargel <kkargel at polartel.com> wrote:

> .
> What are people worried about that they feel their POC information should be "private"??  
>    1.    A little spam?!?  I get so little spam on my POC email addresses, it's silly to worry about it!  
>    2.    What else?  Privacy??  Businesses (legitimate ones, anyway) have no reason to hide themselves! 
> <kjk>  One other point I wanted to make here going further on point #2 - Businesses using a *shared* resource such as the *shared* public internet not only have no reason to hide themselves, they have an obligation to be reachable by the members of the community they are sharing the resources with.  If they don't want to participate in the shared public resource then they don't need shared public resources in the first place.  The simple act of reserving a globally unique address consumes a shared resource and obligates the consumer to be reachable, even if the globally unique address is never routed globally. JMO </kjk>
>    What good is a "private" POC?  Who would ever got to use it if it's private???
>    Can someone come up with a single legitimate example of why they should have public Internet resources assigned to them, but their contact information should be hidden from the world??
>    Sincerely,
>    Patrick Klos
>    Klos Technologies, Inc.
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