[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-182 Update Residential Customer Definition to not exclude wireless as Residential Service

George Herbert george.herbert at gmail.com
Tue Oct 2 17:55:35 EDT 2012

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Leif Sawyer <lsawyer at gci.com> wrote:
> Well, as a provider of Internet to residential and business users in rural Alaska, we don't have the option in many villages of wireline delivery.
> Therefore we use wireless delivery.  But this isn't "personal" nor "mobile" delivery, at least as far as my old eyes tell me...
> So, cleaning up vagaries of policy is in the best interest, n'est pas?
> Or maybe I'm misunderstanding some point in the thread?
> ---
> William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Cameron Byrne <cb.list6 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would just like the policy to be the same for wireless and wireline
>> networks that sell service to individual people.
>> I am not asking for any special provisions or changes to policy
>> itself, just change to the definition of a single term.
>> Today, this clumsy word "residential" is used, and ARIN staff say
>> residential service implies wires to a house where somebody lives.
> Well, OK, if that's what ARIN staff say and it can't be fixed
> administratively then let's fix it in the policy. But let's be a
> little cautious about unintended consequences.
> The folks who wrote that policy put "personal" and "home" in there
> five different times because they wanted to be extra sure that ARIN
> staff wouldn't apply it to a broader use. Clarifying it to mean
> regardless of technology may not reopen that debate or the can of
> worms that went with it. Expanding it to a new user class, mobile
> users, probably does.
> I figure if you can fix the problem you've identified without
> reopening the debate then you've a better chance of getting the
> problem fixed. Am I wrong?
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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Ok.  I am sympathetic to the particular definitions issue here, and
also curious as to where we'd draw the line on this for distinguishing
"mobile" from "wireless 'home service'".

I support doing something, but I think that the latter question needs
a good answer in the process.

I think that the particular example here of small villages presumably
without wired phone lines to houses is an obvious case to cover in the

The wider "mobile vs wireless 'home'" question, however, is tricky.

-george william herbert
george.herbert at gmail.com

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