[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-183 Section 8.4 Transfer enhancement

[Ron Grant]

I disagree with the proposal, which as it stands attempts to conflate 
"IPv4 address resources" with Autonomous System Numbers.

I don't think that the transfers have anything to do with each other, 
and shouldn't be governed by the same principles. The language "IPv4 
number resources and ASNs" suggests that some ASNs are "IPv4" and some 
are not.

IPv4 addresses are a legacy resource in exceedingly short and dwindling 
supply, which cannot easily be replaced by IPv6 addresses (regardless of 
our desire to do so). They are also amenable to aggregation. And they'll 
eventually go away.

ASNs are NOT in short supply. A 4-byte ASN means we have room in the 
world for...uh...4 billion ISPs and multi-homers? Is that right? (wow, 
talk about competition!). And ASN aggregation is meaningless, so 
"efficient utilization" isn't really a desirable goal.

 From what my attention-addled brain gathers, the ASN transfer market is 
about "vanity numbers" - i.e. low 2-byte or memorable ASNs. If there's 
really a need for Inter-RIR transfers of vanity numbers, by all means 
let's create a proposal in conjunction with other RIRs - but adding them 
to the existing IPv4 transfer policy is jut going to make discussions 
about the transfer policy more difficult. It will also make sunsetting 
said policies in an IPv6 world impossible, since 4-byte ASNs will be 
with us for MUCH longer than IPv4 addresses.



On 12-10-30 7:09 AM, Michael Burns wrote:
> Support. The process has been shown to work for address space.
>
> Mike Burns
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: ARIN Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 
> 4:15 PM To: arin-ppml at arin.net Subject: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-183 
> Section 8.4 Transfer enhancement
> ARIN-prop-183 Section 8.4 Transfer enhancement
>
> ARIN received the following policy proposal.
>
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>
> ARIN-prop-183 Section 8.4 Transfer enhancement
>
> Proposal Originator: Martin Hannigan
>
> Proposal Version: 1.0
>
> Date: 29 October 2012
>
> Proposal type: MODIFY
>
> Policy term: PERMANENT
>
> Policy statement:
>
> Modify the following text in Section 8.4
>
> Change all occurrences of "IPv4 number resources" to "IPv4 number
> resources and ASNs".
> Change all occurrences of  "IPv4 address resources" to "IPv4 number
> resources and ASNs".
>
> Rationale:
>
> We already allow transfer of ASNs within the ARIN region. The change
> will accomplish two things. First there is inconsistent language in
> 8.4 eg "IPv4 Address" v. "IPv4 Number Resource(s)" and second, it will
> allow the transfer of ASNs between RIRs through 8.4 and using the
> standards we have already established for IPv4 transfers. For many of
> the same reasons that we allow transfer of IP addresses, we should
> allow transfers of ASNs and to help insure that idle resources are
> both recovered and utilized efficiently and where needed.
>
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