[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2012-6: Revising Section 4.4 C/I Reserved Pool Size

[Christopher Morrow]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:
> What about encouraging TLD operators to acquire /24s on the transfer market? Is there a reason we should be subsidizing them relative to other legitimate uses of IPv4 space?

I can't see a particular reason, no. (to subsidize) except that 'we
have always been at war with elbonia'... Perhaps that's the point to
make in the meeting?

-chris

> Not necessarily opposed to the proposal, but not sure this aspect has been discussed enough.
>
> Scott
>
> On Oct 18, 2012, at 6:37 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/12 13:25 , Christopher Morrow wrote:
>>> I suspect that the normal operating procedure is to put one NS on each
>>> /24(or48?), and likely a set of these per TLD.
>>> You don't want some problem with atld to affect btld just because you
>>> put them both on the same /24||/48 :(
>>>
>>> Looking at the rootzone (http://www.internic.net/zones/root.zone):
>>> Zone count: 272
>>> NSHost count: 1182
>>> NSAddr count: 1620
>>>
>>> of the addresses there I see some re-use of the actual /32 || /128, 59
>>> occurances of the same /32 or /128.
>>> 488 v6 addresses
>>> 274 unique /48s in that set
>>>
>>> 1132 v4 addresses
>>> 713 unique /24s
>>
>> When I looked at this anecdotally, I though I saw way more of them with multiple servers per /24.  So thanks for making the counts, given this then we should be thinking about a bigger block for sure.
>>
>>> I think the timeframe is not 2-5 yrs, but 'how long is it that v4 is
>>> still relevant/required at the TLD level?" and I'd expect that to last
>>> much further out than 2-5yrs... I was thinking at least 10 if not 20
>>> yrs.
>>
>> I'm ok with a goal of 10 to 20 years, but then I think we need to be talking even a bigger block.
>>
>> I think Marty is right, that a /14 or more is necessary to deal with what ICANN is talking about, and that coincides with the 2-5 years I was talking about.  If we want 10 to 20 years worth I think we need to be talking about something more like /13 then.
>>
>> Either that, or push CI to make higher density use of the blocks.
>>
>>> thanks for the conversation so far!
>>> -chris
>>
>> Yes, a good conversation.
>>
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