[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-170 Transfer of Number Resources in case Bankruptcy
drake.pallister at duraserver.com
Thu May 10 19:58:07 EDT 2012
It's my belief that IP numbers should be treated in the same fashion as AS
Numbers when conveying it/them to a different company.
When speaking of this, we should make a distinction between Companies and
Organizations as to not confuse some commercial (or even non-commercial such
as a non-profit entity) operational entity with an ARIN "ORG"
identification. So please let me say company or entity instead of
organization unless I mean to refer to an ARIN "ORG" ID.
With regard to bankruptcy, insolvency, foreclosure, or even a government
seizure of an entity's "assets" we must guard the sovereignty of the
ARIN-issued ASN's and IP allocations so they do not inadvertently become a
bargaining chip--- so to speak, or a sellable, or bankable monetary asset of
the company or entity that is in trouble.
It is true that an ASN or an IP allocation facilitates a company / entity in
providing services for its customers, subscribers, and even itself. However,
the real assets of such a company is its customer base or network layout
that allows them to do business. In the event of a non-profit entity such as
some university, hospital, municipality, or even a worship entity, the real
assets are again the services being provided or being had via Internet
connectivity and routing.
ASN's and IP allocations are Internet resources, parts of the actual
Internet that a company or entity is granted usage of, to facilitate the
transportation of their data, customers' and peers' data over the Internet
At the risk of repeating myself, both (ASN's and IP allocations) ``in use by
any such company or entity`` who has fallen in hot water financially or with
the government to the extent where their real assets are subject to seizure,
foreclosure, auction, or receivership should be pulled back by ARIN and held
or safeguarded so they cannot become globed in, and construed as a tangible
or sellable asset of the troubled entity along with their bank accounts,
customer base, desks, pencils and paperclips.
I've read much about the spirit of stewardship, and I believe that such as
pull-back and safeguard of ASN's and IP allocations in those kinds of
troubled situations, would be a prime example of stewardship, thus ruarding
the resources and protecting the very Internet itself.
As I have mentioned in another list posting, I'd surely recommend that ARIN
examine the situation where ASN's or IP allocations are pulled back into
their safe haven, and allow for the continued Internet routing and
propagation of such "safe haven" ASN's or IP allocations to: 1.) not cause
further devaluation to the endangered entity by disconnection of its
subscriber base; 2.) assist in the non-disruption of IP services of the
endangered company's end user customer, hence the general public; 3.)
protect the physical integrity of such "safe haven"ASN's or IP allocations
in the event the troubled entity successfully pulls itself out of its
troubled condition; 4.) make administrative judgments of the ASN's or
allocation's should the troubled company go to the point of liquidation. (2
and 3 being of a higher ethical importance)
Comment: if the endangered entity becomes bought out by another, then
regular transfer of resources procedures should apply.
Rationale: During many instances where a company or entity is undergoing a
potential meltdown, tear apart, investigation, foreclosure, etc., (which
they might successfully recover from) their physical structure including
their real assets often become shredded to piecemeal with bits and pieces
falling under temporary or permanent control of unknown persons, entities,
receivers, and impoundments--- potentially located in unforeseeable parts of
the world. Even in situations where the troubled entity pulls through in
good condition, many of their real assets and physical structure may have
been devastated, squandered, and scattered, taking untold time to put back
in place, with some not even recoverable.
I as one person would want to prevent the sovereign structure of the
Internet from becoming wrapped up, impounded, or otherwise globed in with
such an entity's physical assets, subject to the happenings in the prior
Should the applicable company or entity ultimately fail to pull out of their
trouble and go down the drain, break up or be liquidated then it would be at
ARIN's discretion to reassign or reallocate the subject ASN's or IP
allocations (to the entity(ies) who picked up the pieces of the liquidated
company-- or not, depending on their administrative evaluation)
I'm mostly referring to situations that may happen to members of the
big-block fellows and not some micro-allocation, but if such a practice of a
"safe haven" was utilized, there's no reason it couldn't be applied to a
tiny micro-dot sized company's assignments or allocations.
Conditions: In situations where ARIN would take back for guardianship or
safe-keeping of the Internet components and allow the continued routing and
propagation of said, this would not be expected of ARIN for free. Though I
couldn't begin to construct a fee structure for all possible scenarios, I
simply say that it should not be for free. For this kind of failsafe
protection to work well, I'd believe that upon accepting any resources or
annually paying for the resources, the holder may need to sign of on a
simple stipulation that of the holder went into bankruptcy, foreclosure,
insolvency, etc, that the resources would remand to an ARIN safe haven for
the protection of said resources.
Closing Comment: In my opinion, often worth a cup of cold coffee, this
"stewardship" of the Internet's functional structure is not only the
responsibility of ARIN and the other RIR's, but also extends to the entities
having ASN's and IP allocations. However, the spirit of Internet stewardship
will always be a hard sell to extend all the way to an individual end user
even though he/she is a part of the Internet.
I'd be glad to see my phrase "safe haven" or even "safe harbor" for Internet
structural components be utilized. It's not actually the bankrupt company or
the impounded entity being protected, it's the Internet resources themselves
IP's and ASN's would be harbored in safety during a corporate battle or
Please take my opinions open mindedly as I have taken into consideration
various outcomes for a failing or bankrupt entity holding pieces of the
Internet's structure known as Resources.
Is there anyone interested in creating a comprehensive proposal with me for
a Resources Safe Haven/Harbor in special circumstances?
With all respect,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blecker, Christoph" <christoph.blecker at ubc.ca>
To: <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-170 Transfer of Number Resources in case
> Just a few comments as the originator:
> My purpose for writing this (it's my first formal proposal, so please be
> kind!) was to solve one of the issues that ARIN Counsel spoke about at
> ARIN XXIX surrounding draft policy ARIN-2012-3.
> I actually share some of the concerns brought up by other community
> members on this list around assigning value to ASN numbers or other number
> resources. It's my own personal belief that allowing values to be placed
> on those resources isn't a good thing, and should be avoided where
> The simplest way I saw to avoid assigning value or abusing this policy,
> was to tie the resources to other tangible assets that do have value. I
> actually agree it might not be the best, but I wanted to get the
> discussion going. The heart of the issue I'm trying to get at is solving a
> very real legal issue for ARIN Counsel, while not opening the door for
> artificial valuation of number resources (except for IPv4 addresses per
> what 8.3 already permits). I am very open to other community suggestions
> to modify this, or other ways to accomplish this goal. The result of this
> would be to have something in place to deal with bankruptcy situations,
> and not have that one piece cloud the ongoing discussion on ARIN-2012-3
> (or other future talks about transfers of resources).
> Thank you to all for your input.
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Sent: May-09-12 1:47 PM
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>> Subject: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-170 Transfer of Number Resources in case
>> ARIN-prop-170 Transfer of Number Resources in case of Bankruptcy
>> ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it to the
>> Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with the Policy
>> Development Process.
>> The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) will review the proposal at their next
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>> ARIN-prop-170 Transfer of Number Resources in case of Bankruptcy
>> Proposal Originator: Christoph Blecker
>> Proposal Version: 1.0
>> Date: 9 May 2012
>> Policy term: permanent
>> Policy statement:
>> NRPM 8.4 Bankruptcy Proceedings
>> Similar to section 8.2, ARIN will consider requests for the transfer of
>> number resources in the case of bankruptcy or other court-supervised
>> liquidation proceedings upon receipt of evidence that the receiving
>> entity has acquired assets that used resources from the current
>> registrant. ARIN will maintain an up-to-date list of acceptable types of
>> In the event that number resources of the receiving organization are no
>> longer justified under ARIN policy at the time ARIN becomes aware of the
>> transaction, through a transfer request or otherwise, ARIN will work
>> with the resource holder(s) to return, aggregate, transfer, or reclaim
>> resources as needed to restore compliance via the processes outlined in
>> current ARIN policy.
>> During policy discussions surrounding Draft Policy ARIN-2012-3 (ASN
>> Transfers), the community was advised by ARIN Counsel that there are
>> situations and cases currently making their way through the court system
>> where an entity has gone bankrupt and a court is supervising liquidation
>> of their assets. While number resources themselves are not assets, the
>> exclusive right to those number resources is, and this addresses the
>> need for these to be able to be moved with the other more tangible
>> network assets.
>> Timetable for implementation: immediate
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