[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-170 Transfer of Number Resources in case of Bankruptcy

Bill Sandiford bill at telnetcommunications.com
Thu May 10 13:49:44 EDT 2012

+1.  Opposed

I do not believe it is wise to have bifurcated policy for bankruptcy and
non-bankruptcy situations.


On 12-05-09 8:49 PM, "Joe Maimon" <jmaimon at chl.com> wrote:

>Opposed to the concept.
>I dont believe it wise to create special policy that adds value to an
>"asset" only during bankruptcy procedure.
>M-A transfers when bankruptcy liquidates largely intact networks.
>Directed transfers when bankrupty liquidates number resources as a
>severable asset of value, with the source of that value contained solely
>as its status as a row inside the ARIN database, owned by ARIN,
>adminsistered according to the policies of its community.
>Sooner or later we will have to stand our ground and defend the concept
>that the number is not inherently property and the value contained in
>the resource is a collection of the community acquiescence to its
>uniqueness, and that you cannot legally compel that acquiescence.
>That you may sell whatever the parties involved agree to, but only what
>you actually own can be conveyed.
>Owen DeLong wrote:
>> Opposed as written.
>> While I like the idea of a policy enabling transfers specific to
>>Bankruptcy, I think such a policy does need to allow for the number
>>resources to be transferred separate from the underlying infrastructure
>>in order to meet the real world requirements of such transactions.
>> I would most probably support this policy if it were modified to make
>>those accommodations, but, it would depend in part on guidance from ARIN
>>counsel as to his ability to use the policy effectively.
>> Owen
>> (Speaking only for myself and not in my capacity as a member of the AC)
>> On May 9, 2012, at 1:46 PM, ARIN wrote:
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