[arin-ppml] ARIN-2012-3: ASN Transfers - Last Call

William Herrin bill at herrin.us
Tue May 8 10:41:30 EDT 2012

On 5/8/12, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> On 5/7/12 20:25 CDT, William Herrin wrote:
>> Would failing to move an AS transfer proposal forward this cycle do
>> harm? We've survived without one for 15 years and we're not sort of AS
>> numbers, at least not the 32 bit variety.

> You and others have mostly convinced me that we should hold off and
> bring this one back to the next policy meeting.  However, I have a fear
> that we are going to be right back where we are today in 5 to 6 months
> after the Dallas PPM.  I really don't want to repeat what happened with
> IPv4 transfers, were the more we discussed this issue the more the
> community polarized and fractured.
> How does the community come to a stronger consensus one way or the
> other?

Hi David,

This is, of course, the hard part. There is no easy answer that I'm
aware of, but the general approach is to look for areas in which
compromise could be possible.

Dissenter #1, would you consider a version in which the intended AS
recipient is expected to show a technical justification for the
transfer? What elements would the justification have? Would "because
I'm using it on equipment that doesn't properly support 4-byte AS
numbers when no 2-byte AS numbers are otherwise available" be an
acceptable justification?

Dissenter #2, would you consider the proposal with a sunset date, so
that if your fears prove founded the onus is on the proponents to to
convince folks to re-up the policy instead of on you to repleal it? If
no evidence supporting those fears appears by the sunset date, could
you then accept making the policy permanent? What would get you to a
comfort zone where even if you don't see a driving need for the policy
you could determine that it does no harm?

Sure we all hate sunset dates but is that really such a hard pill to
swallow when straying into the unknown?

And so on. We won't get to zero dissenters; the group is too large.
But we can do better than where we are with it today.

Bill Herrin

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