[arin-ppml] ARIN-2012-3: ASN Transfers - Last Call

Celeste Anderson celestea at usc.edu
Thu May 3 18:46:32 EDT 2012

+1 -- I am opposed to the policy as written for much the same reasons stated
by Michael.


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Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:11 PM
To: Jeffrey Lyon
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2012-3: ASN Transfers - Last Call

On 5/3/12 1:08 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:

> What i'm attempting to argue is that this does not have to be a zero 
> sum game. Just because this policy could benefit the management, bean 
> counters, and marketing gurus of any given commercial enterprise does 
> not mean that stewardship has been abandoned, that ARIN is becoming 
> commercialized, or that we're somehow setting a bad precedent. Many 
> could benefit substantially from the transferability of ASN's, its 
> just unfortunately that the ultimate decision to strike down this 
> proposal are not the same group of folks.
> Reiterating my position of "Strongly Support,"

When I vote in ARIN elections, I vote for people who understand and can
represent viewpoints other than their own.  They can go beyond their
experiences and self-interest and understand the larger needs of the
community.  It's the different between leadership and simple representation.
I'll note that many AC members that I have spoken to support this policy
despite the fact that it is not in their narrow interest to do so.

Regarding the statement about PPML being predominantly engineers, I take
issue with the idea that engineers can't understand business or marketing
concepts.  Not only do engineers need to worry about destabilizing this
important thing we are responsible for (i.e. the Internet), we have to
understand the business, economic, and political aspects of everything we
do.  We need to understand the nexus of technology and policy.  That's why
we follow PPML.  (Moreover, PPML is not only engineers--there are business
people here, LE, etc.)

Although the larger community has asked many times for use cases for this
policy, the very best we have come up with is to have numbers we can
remember.  That and the bankruptcy issue (which I agree is compelling).

The truth is, we really don't know what kind of negative effects we are
creating when we allow for this monetization of a number that has never been
of value in the past.  No other RIR is currently entertaining such a
transfer policy, so we have no experience to go on.  This is similar to the
excellent points that Heather Schiller made at ARIN 29.  Given that we don't
know the effects of a wide-open ASN transfer policy, I agree with Christoph
that we should define the scope of the policy narrowly, to encompass the one
use case we can find.

I am opposed to the policy as written, re-iterating my already-counted vote
at ARIN 29.

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