[arin-ppml] ARIN-2012-3: ASN Transfers - Last Call

[Kara, Akbar]

Opposed.  I concur with my colleague, Michael Sinatra.

/ak
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On May 3, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Celeste Anderson wrote:

> +1 -- I am opposed to the policy as written for much the same reasons stated
> by Michael.
> 
> --celeste.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Michael Sinatra
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:11 PM
> To: Jeffrey Lyon
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2012-3: ASN Transfers - Last Call
> 
> On 5/3/12 1:08 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
> 
>> What i'm attempting to argue is that this does not have to be a zero 
>> sum game. Just because this policy could benefit the management, bean 
>> counters, and marketing gurus of any given commercial enterprise does 
>> not mean that stewardship has been abandoned, that ARIN is becoming 
>> commercialized, or that we're somehow setting a bad precedent. Many 
>> could benefit substantially from the transferability of ASN's, its 
>> just unfortunately that the ultimate decision to strike down this 
>> proposal are not the same group of folks.
>> 
>> Reiterating my position of "Strongly Support,"
> 
> When I vote in ARIN elections, I vote for people who understand and can
> represent viewpoints other than their own.  They can go beyond their
> experiences and self-interest and understand the larger needs of the
> community.  It's the different between leadership and simple representation.
> I'll note that many AC members that I have spoken to support this policy
> despite the fact that it is not in their narrow interest to do so.
> 
> Regarding the statement about PPML being predominantly engineers, I take
> issue with the idea that engineers can't understand business or marketing
> concepts.  Not only do engineers need to worry about destabilizing this
> important thing we are responsible for (i.e. the Internet), we have to
> understand the business, economic, and political aspects of everything we
> do.  We need to understand the nexus of technology and policy.  That's why
> we follow PPML.  (Moreover, PPML is not only engineers--there are business
> people here, LE, etc.)
> 
> Although the larger community has asked many times for use cases for this
> policy, the very best we have come up with is to have numbers we can
> remember.  That and the bankruptcy issue (which I agree is compelling).
> 
> The truth is, we really don't know what kind of negative effects we are
> creating when we allow for this monetization of a number that has never been
> of value in the past.  No other RIR is currently entertaining such a
> transfer policy, so we have no experience to go on.  This is similar to the
> excellent points that Heather Schiller made at ARIN 29.  Given that we don't
> know the effects of a wide-open ASN transfer policy, I agree with Christoph
> that we should define the scope of the policy narrowly, to encompass the one
> use case we can find.
> 
> I am opposed to the policy as written, re-iterating my already-counted vote
> at ARIN 29.
> 
> michael
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