[arin-ppml] WhoWas Service Now in ARIN Online Announcement

Joe Provo ppml at rsuc.gweep.net
Thu Mar 29 07:55:12 EDT 2012

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 04:27:20PM -0400, admin at directcolocation.com wrote:
> I do agree that it is not a bad thing but I do not see how it is a fair
> approach for a new service being applied to the whois at this date
> forward, if you were in the business of LAW then it would appear that it
> was a law that was being implemented and now would effect you on anything
> you have done in the past vrs now that you know making sure that you
> govern yourself accordingly.
> I am not a lawyer but I think they call this ex post facto in the fact you
> cannot punished for something you did in the past.

Publishing != punishing. The ARIN community wants the history of 
published records to be available. Given that the historical data
was once 'public', there is nothing new being revealed.

If there's shady dealings, frankly that is precisely what the 
ARIN community wishes to be plainly seen by this historical 

> The problem I see is in this case is that as we all know the anti spammers
> are not held accountable by any law or in some cases we do not know who
> they are and or where they are, so if the  have this information at there
> disposal.

Seems like you were trying to construct a sentence here but 
it failed you. You might start by dropping the supposition 
that anyone in the anti abuse realm is operating outside the

> Could it put ARIN a position of some kind of liability from a potential
> law suite for providing this information based on private business models
> and who one chooses to do business with based on the legal side of the
> quote can spam act as all spammers will calm they follow.

All the whois data was once public. There is nothing in whowas 
that would be "private business models" or any such claptrap.

Your later attempts at sentences make it seem like you wish to 
defend shady dealings and abuse facilited by obfuscated addressing.
If that is the case, then I'm not sorry that this services will 
inconvenience you.  



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