[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-176 Increase Needs-Based Justification to 60 months on 8.3 Specified Transfers

[David Farmer]

On 6/29/12 10:06 CDT, jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com wrote:
> As I previously told you Owen, we are asked once per week by a
> prospective buyer or seller how these transactions can be accommodated
> without enduring the rigors of justification.  When we identify the
> risks for both buyers and sellers alike, they go quiet.  You wonder
> where they go don't you?  I have a pretty good idea they simply seek
> alternative means and providers.  So it's not fear mongering to suggest
> people will disregard the registry.  Some do.  I cannot quantify it
> because we neither endorse nor monitor.

We need to find middle ground here guys.

John, and others,

Needs justifications are not going to go away, so stop asking for the 
community to make it go away, its not going to happen.

However, on the flip side,

Owen, and others

The community does need to find way of simplifying the process and make 
needs justification less of a burden if transfers are going to work the 
way we need them too.  If we don't then people will find a way around 
the process.  Owen, you're fond of John Gilmore's quote about the 
"Internet routing around damage," well if our policies create damage 
they will get routed around too and that's not fear mongering.


So trying to think outside the box here, what if we created some special 
rules that simplified demonstrating operational need for smaller 
transfers but still fundamentally kept reasonable needs justifications 
in place overall.

- Allow any organization to receive a transfer of an unaggregated /24, 
that the original assignment was a single class C or a /24 that is not 
part of a larger range of addresses held by the same organization 
originating the transfer, on the condition that the recipient puts it 
into operational use within 6 month and they cannot receive another such 
transfer for 24 months without demonstrating justified need.

- Allow any organization to receive a transfer of up to 50% of their 
current holdings or /16 which is ever is smaller on the condition that 
the recipient puts it into operational use within 6 month and they 
cannot receive another such transfer for 24 months without demonstrating 
justified need.

- All transfers larger than /16 require demonstrating justified need 
with a window of 24 or maybe 36 months.

This probably needs work on the details, but is something like this a 
workable compromise?

> Correct, as we are debating transfers you are correct to point out free
> allocations in APNIC are needs-based.
>
> Jeff Mehlenbacher


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