[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-172 Additional definition for NRPM Section 2 - Legacy Resources

[Owen DeLong]

Nor does ARIN have any obligation to maintain a registration for a company without a contract.

Again, we are not talking about resources themselves, but, the registration of those resources in the ARIN database.

Like it or not, absent a contract with ARIN, there is no guarantee other than community good will and current ARIN consensus based policy that prevents ARIN from deleting registrations that are not under contract and creating new registration records for those same resources that are under contract, possibly with different parties.

The no obligation part of no contract cuts both ways.

Owen

On Jun 7, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:

> We don't need to debate whether consensus exists or not. 
> When it comes to legacy resources, community consensus is irrelevant. A company without a contract has no legal or any other kind of obligation to ARIN consensus processes. 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>> Behalf Of Martin Hannigan
>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:29 AM
>> To: Astrodog
>> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-172 Additional definition for NRPM
>> Section 2 - Legacy Resources
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Astrodog <astrodog at gmx.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/6/2012 4:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> 
>> [ clip ]
>> 
>>> Not to beat a dead horse, but the community consensus seems to very
>>> clearly be that number resources are not property, and service is not
>>> guaranteed for those organizations which do not have an agreement with
>>> the relevant RIR. The service is, instead, provided on a best effort
>>> basis in the interests of making life easier for everyone involved.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure that consensus against is not representative. We have
>> a vocal few who repeatedly bang on the drum, and an extremely large
>> and silent minority. We know this by the volume of transfer that ARIN
>> sees, the strong interest by the APNIC folks and their members, the
>> bankruptcy activity and the fact that we've had at least four
>> companies create an industry around specifically dealing with IPv4
>> transfer and markets. At the end of the day, consensus is extremely
>> difficult to judge on this topic and I think that most understand
>> this.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> -M<
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