[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-172 Additional definition for NRPM Section 2 - Legacy Resources

[Kevin Kargel]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Martin Hannigan
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 9:29 AM
> To: Astrodog
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-172 Additional definition for NRPM
> Section 2 - Legacy Resources
> 
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Astrodog <astrodog at gmx.com> wrote:
> > On 6/6/2012 4:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> 
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> 
> > Not to beat a dead horse, but the community consensus seems to very
> > clearly be that number resources are not property, and service is not
> > guaranteed for those organizations which do not have an agreement with
> > the relevant RIR. The service is, instead, provided on a best effort
> > basis in the interests of making life easier for everyone involved.
> 
> 
> I'm pretty sure that consensus against is not representative. We have
> a vocal few who repeatedly bang on the drum, and an extremely large
> and silent minority. We know this by the volume of transfer that ARIN
> sees, the strong interest by the APNIC folks and their members, the
> bankruptcy activity and the fact that we've had at least four
> companies create an industry around specifically dealing with IPv4
> transfer and markets. At the end of the day, consensus is extremely
> difficult to judge on this topic and I think that most understand
> this.

[kjk] I do not know that four companies in the entire world is significant.
I also do not think it is in the community's best interests to shape global
policies to support the business model of four companies.  ARIN policy is
and should be developed to support network operations, not optimized for
profitability of business models, especially business models that are not
formed around network operation.    

How do we know that there is a majority if they are silent?  If they do not
participate it is just as if not more likely that the silent parties are
silent explicitly because they are happy with the way things are going.  

The very definition of consensus is based on participants, and does not take
bystanders in to account. You cannot have a consensus without a quorum.

Kevin


> 
> Best,
> 
> -M<
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