[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-178 Regional Use of Resources

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Sun Jul 15 15:23:48 EDT 2012

That would basically completely enable policy shopping and/or fee shopping to select whichever of the 5 RIRs you wanted regardless of location.

I cannot support that.


On Jul 15, 2012, at 10:32 AM, David Farmer wrote:

> On 7/14/12 17:32 CDT, Tony Hain wrote:
>> Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> On Jul 14, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Tony Hain wrote:
> ...
>>> This proposal applies to ASNs and IPv6 resources as well as IPv4.
>> As it should, but there is still no justification for language that attempts
>> to restrict where a resource is used. It is the height of hypocrisy to tell
>> ARIN members that they cannot claim property rights over the assigned
>> resources, yet ARIN has the ability to assert property rights by restricting
>> where an asset gets used. The steward role requires ARIN to watch for
>> duplicate requests to other RIRs for the same need, but the facilitator role
>> requires them to -- actually distribute -- the resources. When the only
>> intent of proposed language is to prevent distribution of resource because
>> someone outside the ARIN region might benefit, it has to be called out and
>> removed as counter to ARINs role as facilitator on behalf of IANA for the
>> global resource.
>> As long as a member makes a justified request, and is not duplicating that
>> to get more from other RIRs, where that resource gets deployed is their
>> issue alone. Besides, no matter what policy is put in place it is
>> unenforceable because any resource that gets allocated can be moved later
>> with a 'change of business requirements', and what justifies attempting
>> reclamation? Unless you plan to make every operating network renumber all AS
>> & address resources to be compliant with a regional restriction, there is no
>> 'need' to do so for new deployments; meaning any such policy would not
>> withstand a challenge. The only plausible justification for attempting a
>> protectionist region restriction is hoarding to retain what little pool is
>> left, in a hypocritical contortion of property rights.
>> RIPE will exhaust their remaining IPv4 pool in a couple of  months, so the
>> pressure to do something will increase. Unfortunately people will more often
>> do the irrational thing under pressure, and this protectionist language is
>> already starting down that road. Raising the threat of 'shell companies
>> subverting RIR control' only furthers the irrational behavior.
> OK, I slept on it and have an idea.
> I need to reiterate the four requirements I discussed in my last email;
> 1. Regional independence and control of policy
> 2. Only justify the use of resources to the RIR you received them from using that RIRs policies
> 3. Prevent duplicate and/or overlapping requests to multiple RIRs, in other words provide stewardship
> 4. No restriction on location of use
> So, I'll float an idea.  What if we allowed the requester to select between #2 or #4, allowing #1 and #3 to be meet in all cases.  This way regionalization is simply a tool for simplifying justification of need and not necessarily a requirement to receive resources in all cases.
> This could be done with the following small rewrite of the first paragraph.
> ----
> X. Regionalized Use of Resources
> Requests for number resources must meet the following criteria regarding regionalized use of resources for ARIN to only evaluate a request based on an organizations ARIN registered resources and according to ARIN policies, including any resource specific criteria. Otherwise, ARIN must evaluate a request based on an organizations total globally registered resources and only according to ARIN policies, including any resource specific criteria.
> ----
> Is this workable?  What do you think Tony?  What does the rest of the community think?  Would there need to be additional criteria defining how ARIN evaluates a organizations globally registered resource?
> Like I said I'm just floating an idea, I'm not even sure I like it yet.
> Let me know what you think.
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