[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-178 Regional Use of Resources
owen at delong.com
Sat Jul 14 00:31:59 EDT 2012
On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On 7/13/12, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>> X.2. Headquartered in the ARIN Region
>> Only organizations headquartered in the ARIN service region are entitled
>> to receive resources from ARIN for use outside the region, in excess of
>> the incidental use defined above, to operate a connected multi-region
> Why both a "Headquartered in the ARIN region" requirement _and_ an
> incidental use limit?
It's not _AND_, it's _OR_ and the exclusive or at that.
If you are HQ in the ARIN region, then there is no restriction about out of
If you are not HQ in the ARIN region, then, you are allowed incidental use
outside of the region.
There is no restriction in either case on the amount of resources you can
obtain for use within the ARIN region.
> I would say, if an organization is legally recognized by government
> bodies in the region as
> an organization that exists, does business in the region, can enter
> contracts in the region, and owns assets in the region that require
> IP addresses; they should not be restricted from obtaining resources
> from ARIN, just because they are headquartered elsewhere.
They are not restricted from obtaining resources from ARIN to use within
the ARIN region. They are only restricted on the proportion of ARIN resources
that they can use outside of the ARIN region.
Do you think that an ISP from out of region should be allowed to set up a
small shell company in the US and then obtain unlimited resources from
ARIN to use in their operations elsewhere in the world?
>> If such an organization has received any resources from another RIR, an
>> operational justification is required to clarify how the resources from
>> ARIN will not duplicate any resources from another RIR. However, it is
>> never justified to receive resources from ARIN and another RIR in order
>> to evade another RIR’s policies, or solely based on the availability of
>> resources from another RIR, or the lack thereof.
> This is a good requirement to be added explicitly; the possibly of an
> organization applying to multiple RIRs and re-using the same assets
> to justify two allocations and double the required amount of total
> resources (but from different regions),
> should be considered a type of fraud.
It's in the proposal explicitly.
> When applicants provide justification, they should be required to
> disclose all resources that have been assigned, both from other RIRs,
> and from any upstream ISPs or other possible sources of IPv4 address
> resources, that ARIN might not have explicit record of.
I believe that's already standard practice.
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