[arin-ppml] Prop-151: Limiting needs requirements for IPv4 transfers

[Chris Grundemann]

Thanks Bill! I think this elevates the debate considerably.

Cheers,
~Chris

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 09:45, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> Bill, you keep claiming that other RIRs have less strict policies.
>> Do you have any evidence or actual policy citations to back that up?
>
> Owen,
>
> You can find a comparison of RIR IPv4 policies at
> http://www.nro.net/rir-comparative-policy-overview/rir-comparative-policy-overview-2010-04#2
>
> Differences in strictness are obvious even in the first section
> (section 2.1). ARIN requires you to demonstrate use within 3 months.
> All others allow 1 year. ARIN requires multihoming for requests
> smaller than a /20. LACNIC does not. And so on.
>
> In a few details one or two of the other RIRs come out more strict.
> But, on average ARIN's policies are the strictest.
>
> And here's a another difference described in that document: APNIC
> allocates a lot of addresses to National Internet Registries. ARIN
> does not; registrants hold addresses directly. What isn't clear (and
> the AC has NOT researched despite the problem being pointed out) is
> that an APNIC transfer policy would require the NIRs to permit
> out-region transfers the way our draft policy binds ARIN. We've
> already determined that transfer reciprocity is NOT required for
> another RIR's policies to be found compatible for the purposes of
> allowing out-region transfer of ARIN addresses.  We know this because
> the President of ARIN was asked the question and he said so.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> I don't believe for one moment that APNIC's policies or their application of
>> those policies is significantly less strict than ARIN"s. If it were, APNIC would
>> have consumed a much greater quantity of IPv4 address space.
>
> It is, as a matter of simple fact, less strict. How much significance
> you find in the difference is a matter of opinion. I respectfully
> disagree with your opinion that the difference is not important.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> "evidence" and "facts" are pesky little buggers indeed...
>
> They sure are.
>
> Aloha,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
>
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