[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-165 Eliminate Needs-Based Justification

jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com
Fri Feb 17 12:16:16 EST 2012

Thank you Kevin.  The intent of our proposal is to ensure dormant supply
is freed up and companies are motivated to participate in the effective
reallocation and (re)use of IPv4 number resources.  Further, our
proposal identifies the benefits that will accrue by eliminating
needs-based justification because it will encourage more participation
and importantly, all transactions continue to flow through ARIN for

I might also suggest the opposite outcome of what you deduce regarding
making facilitation more profitable.  If Sellers and Buyers alike are
motivated and thus choose to participate as Lister and Needer on ARIN's
Specified Transfer Listing Service, I submit Facilitators will no longer
be in demand for sourcing interested parties as said parties can contact
one another directly.  Our services may be reduced, if requested, to
transaction execution only.

Jeff Mehlenbacher

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-165 Eliminate Needs-Based
From: Kevin Kargel <kkargel at polartel.com>
Date: Fri, February 17, 2012 11:35 am
To: "'jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com'"
<jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com>, Paul Vixie <paul at redbarn.org>
Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:47 AM
> To: Paul Vixie
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-165 Eliminate Needs-Based Justification
> Yes, we are part of the Specified Transfer Listing Service and have a
> very good grasp on current policy governing 8.3s including the recent
> change to demonstrating need based on 24 months rather than 12 months.
> Our Policy Proposal seeks to provide the necessary incentive for
> Companies with unused IPs to actively put them to use through a transfer
> and further seeks to motivate Companies with need to use Specified
> Transfer though ARIN. The current practice of justifying need for
> Specified Transfers is a disincentive for many potential recipient
> organizations to participate in this market. Lack of demand directly
> affects the freeing of dormant supply.
> Jeff
[kjk] To my read this plainly says that the intent is to make transfer
facilitation more profitable. I do not believe it is within ARIN's
or scope to write policy with the intent of maximizing profit within an
address market. I even more strongly opposed to this proposal.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-165 Eliminate Needs-Based
> Justification
> From: Paul Vixie <paul at redbarn.org>
> Date: Fri, February 17, 2012 10:27 am
> To: jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> On 2012-02-17 3:19 PM, jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com wrote:
> Paul, I cannot speak to how other brokers structure their business, but
> we do not actually hold address space if I interpret you literally. Our
> Sellers hold the address space. We are contracted by companies with
> unused IPv4 blocks to source a company with need. Once a potential
> needer is identified, we facilitate agreement on price, timing and other
> conditions of a transfer then provide the necessary legal documents and
> guidance to execute the transactions contingent upon ARIN approval. The
> value of any broker--be it insurance, mortgage, real estate or IPv4
> transfers--is subjective but clearly if a Seller and a Buyer prefer to
> use a broker, they should do so. The Policy Proposal as written assumes
> there may or may not be broker involvement in Specified Transfers.
> thank you jeff. it seems that you have misunderstood the current
> policies, which allow everything you describe, so long as the needer can
> demonstrate that need to ARIN. there is a place in the "transfer listing
> service" for brokers, too. i'm at a loss to understand what it about the
> current transfer policies that won't fit the model you're describing
> above.
> paul
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