[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-165 Eliminate Needs-Based Justification

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Fri Feb 17 11:35:25 EST 2012


> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:47 AM
> To: Paul Vixie
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-165 Eliminate Needs-Based Justification
> Yes, we are part of the Specified Transfer Listing Service and have a
> very good grasp on current policy governing 8.3s including the recent
> change to demonstrating need based on 24 months rather than 12 months.
> Our Policy Proposal seeks to provide the necessary incentive for
> Companies with unused IPs to actively put them to use through a transfer
> and further seeks to motivate Companies with need to use Specified
> Transfer though ARIN.  The current practice of justifying need for
> Specified Transfers is a disincentive for many potential recipient
> organizations to participate in this market.  Lack of demand directly
> affects the freeing of dormant supply.
> Jeff
[kjk] To my read this plainly says that the intent is to make transfer
facilitation more profitable.  I do not believe it is within ARIN's mission
or scope to write policy with the intent of maximizing profit within an IP
address market.  I even more strongly opposed to this proposal.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-165 Eliminate Needs-Based
> Justification
> From: Paul Vixie <paul at redbarn.org>
> Date: Fri, February 17, 2012 10:27 am
> To: jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>  On 2012-02-17 3:19 PM, jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com wrote:
> Paul, I cannot speak to how other brokers structure their business, but
> we do not actually hold address space if I interpret you literally.  Our
> Sellers hold the address space.  We are contracted by companies with
> unused IPv4 blocks to source a company with need.  Once a potential
> needer is identified, we facilitate agreement on price, timing and other
> conditions of a transfer then provide the necessary legal documents and
> guidance to execute the transactions contingent upon ARIN approval.  The
> value of any broker--be it insurance, mortgage, real estate or IPv4
> transfers--is subjective but clearly if a Seller and a Buyer prefer to
> use a broker, they should do so.  The Policy Proposal as written assumes
> there may or may not be broker involvement in Specified Transfers.
>  thank you jeff. it seems that you have misunderstood the current
> policies, which allow everything you describe, so long as the needer can
> demonstrate that need to ARIN. there is a place in the "transfer listing
> service" for brokers, too. i'm at a loss to understand what it about the
> current transfer policies that won't fit the model you're describing
> above.
>  paul
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