[arin-ppml] REVISED: Draft Policy ARIN-2012-8: Aligning 8.2 and 8.3 Transfer Policy

[Scott Leibrand]

No objections here.  As far as I can tell the only substantive change
(other than codifying existing practice) is the requirement that "The new
entity must sign an RSA covering all transferred resources."  That seems
like a (minor) improvement in policy.

-Scott


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:44 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

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> On 11/26/12 15:25 , Chris Grundemann wrote:
>
>> I made some updates based on feedback received here, the new text is as
>> follows:
>>
>> ----8<----8<----
>> Replace the first paragraph of section 8.2 with the following (second
>> paragraph remains unchanged):
>>
>> ARIN will consider requests for the transfer of number resources in
>> the case of mergers and acquisitions under the following conditions:
>>
>> * The new entity must provide evidence that they have acquired assets
>> that use the resources transferred from the current registrant. ARIN
>> will maintain an up-to-date list of acceptable types of documentation.
>> * The current registrant must not be involved in any dispute as to the
>> status of the transferred resources.
>> * The new entity must sign an RSA covering all transferred resources.
>> * The transferred resources will be subject to ARIN policies.
>> * The minimum transfer size is the smaller of the original allocation
>> size or the applicable minimum allocation size in current policy.
>> ----8<----8<----
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ~Chris
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 11/19/12, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  IOW, I want to avoid extending the more lenient 8.2 provisions to a
>>>>> sale
>>>>> where someone buys $100,000 worth of IP addresses and $20,000 worth of
>>>>> hardware and then sells the hardware to $SCRAP_DEALER just to keep the
>>>>> addresses.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IP addresses don't belong to hardware;  IP addresses belong to IP
>>>> interfaces, attached to hardware, in order to provide connectivity to
>>>> a network node for communicating or offering a service.     A change
>>>> of hardware does not imply that the need for the logical IP interface
>>>> goes away.     If you send a router to a scrap dealer, that doesn't
>>>> mean all the networks it routed necessarily go away.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The above statement was short-hand to explain my intent, not an absolute
>>> statement implying that addresses were attached directly to hardware.
>>> Put it back in context with what I was responding to.
>>>
>>>  What about cases, where the acquiring organization finds the hardware
>>>> _belongs_ with  $TRASH_COLLECTION or $SCRAP_DEALER    due to the
>>>> obsolescence of said decrepit hardware,   and after acquiring,  they
>>>> will make a non-disruptive reallocation of the hardware used to
>>>> provide IT services?      Probably by re-consolidating on new
>>>> hardware.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The policy language I proposed would not preclude this.
>>>
>>>  That kind of restructuring does not make renumbering reasonable
>>>> and doesn't belong under 8.3.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed. However, I want to make sure that 8.2 does not get abused to
>>> back-door 8.3 style transfers by adding hardware to the mix and
>>> pretending
>>> it is an acquisition of a working network.
>>>
>>> Owen
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