[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Thu Aug 9 18:11:00 EDT 2012

Opposed as written.  

I may change that position if words were added to indicate that this is
permissible *IF* the ISP avers they are managing the customers network *AND*
the ISP agrees in writing to accept legal communications for the customer.

I might also accept it if the Customer legal name were retained in care of
the ISP, the ISP address and telephone was used in the ADMIN PoC (with
agreement by the ISP to handle legal contacts), and the email and telephone
number for the organization responsible for network administration were used
in the ABUSE and TECH PoC's.  

All in all though, it sounds like a can of worms best avoided.



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> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 10:33 AM
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> Subject: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment
> ARIN-prop-180  ISP Private Reassignment
> ARIN received the following policy proposal.
> The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) will review the proposal at their next
> regularly scheduled meeting (if the period before the next regularly
> scheduled meeting is less than 10 days, then the period may be extended
> to the subsequent regularly scheduled meeting). The AC will decide how
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> ## * ##
> On Thursday, August 9, 2012 10:52 AM, Yi Chu wrote
>     1. Policy Proposal Name:  ISP private reassignment
>     2. Proposal Originator
>           1. name: Yi Chu
>           2. e-mail: yi.chu at sprint.com
>           3. telephone: +1-703-592-4850
>           4. organization: Sprint
>     3. Proposal Version: 1
>     4. Date: 2012-08-09
>     5. Proposal type: new
>     6. Policy term: permanent
>     7. Policy statement:
>                  NRPM and ISP private reassignment
>                  ISP has the option to register a reassignment as
> private.  A private reassignment is not visible on the public whois
> database.  Private reassignment is used in calculation of ISP
> utilization.  By register a reassignment as private, the ISP takes
> responsibility as POC by means of the direct allocation (parent of the
> reassigned address block) from ARIN that is publically registered in the
> whois database.
>     8. Rationale:
>                  Some ISP's customers wish to keep their reassignment
> private.  This can be for security reasons.  It can also be that the
> customer does not have the staff or know-how to manage their network.
> They in term outsource the management of their network to the upstream
> ISP.  By not having their reassignemnt record showing in public, the
> whois record of the parent ISP block is a truer representation of the
> reality.  It make shte whois database more accurate and cleaner.
>     9. Timetable for implementation: immediate
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