[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment

Chu, Yi [NTK] Yi.Chu at sprint.com
Thu Aug 9 15:24:46 EDT 2012

I understand the concern, I hope.  I do welcome all the comments.

My counter points are
1.  Empirical evidence doesn't suggest whois falling apart because of private registraton.  APNIC has adopted the similar policy since 2004.
2. It is not in the best of interest of ISP to mark all reassignments 'private'.  ISP's would want to have their customers be the first to field those pesky abuse calls.
3. ISP's legal department may not want to it be the POC for a customer unless some legal agreement is signed.

Maybe we can recommend some verbiage that ISP has to sign with the customer for those private reassignments?  That should set up some barriers so not everything becomes private.


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Hannigan [mailto:hannigan at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 3:01 PM
To: David Farmer
Cc: Chu, Yi [NTK]; ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> First, I cannot support this proposal as written, however I would like to
> see more flexibility provided on this issue.
> So here is the problem, your one customer that wants their data private
> isn't that big of deal, the system won't fall apart if their data is
> private.  However, if everyone wants their data private or ISPs start
> marking all their data private by default then the system may fall part.
> Or, at the very least we probably need a radically different system, I'm not
> fundamentally opposed to that either, but that's not what your proposing.
> As written, your proposal allows an ISP to mark all their data as private.

I too and not in favor of this in case that's not clear. My intention
in supporting this is to improve upon the proposal by clearly
differentiating the dis aggregates from the direct allocations and
providing a smaller, but potentially more accurate (and less expensive
e.g. cutting network operating cost), data set as a reference for
points of contact.




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